W.O.M.P. Supercharger for 2.0L proteges
October-1st-2004, 11:11 PM
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right
Yeah I can understand removing the ac for space/ location, what I was going to suggest to those dying to have their ac was to leave the ac under the hood and unhook the sc when they planned on using the ac and vice-versa... but now I see why you can't even leave it under the hood.
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October-2nd-2004, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jmo
Yeah I can understand removing the ac for space/ location, what I was going to suggest to those dying to have their ac was to leave the ac under the hood and unhook the sc when they planned on using the ac and vice-versa... but now I see why you can't even leave it under the hood.
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October-2nd-2004, 12:38 AM
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If this were a RWD car I would think the powersteering pump could be removed easily. However, my kit is designed to increase and enhance driveability....not comfort. Removing the ps while keeping ac is 100% contradictory to my goals. Honestly guys I've had no ac for several weeks and have had no regrets or problems....not many people in Alabama in august can say that.
October-2nd-2004, 12:12 PM
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the air (fan) would still work right?
(what part of alabama???)
(what part of alabama???)
October-2nd-2004, 01:44 PM
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yeah, Just south of Birmingham
October-3rd-2004, 09:58 AM
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Alright, more newbie questions
Is boosting with S/C similar in the fact that you are running dangerously lean & rich, and need something like a wideband to readout? If yes, fixing this I assume would be either letting off the gas or making adjustments to your map ?
What guages are necessary?
Do you see a problem running on a 2.25" magnaflow exhaust? Last night there was a "dragva" meet with about 300 cars in a parking garage, cops stayed at the entrance and handed out $160 exhaust tickets. Although I really want a big, open (loud) exhaust, I can't really afford the hassle. Only alternative is racing beat, but I HATE the tip.
And, its come up that MAMotorsports is thinking about coming out with a low boost, non intercooled kit. You got some competition
Is boosting with S/C similar in the fact that you are running dangerously lean & rich, and need something like a wideband to readout? If yes, fixing this I assume would be either letting off the gas or making adjustments to your map ?
What guages are necessary?
Do you see a problem running on a 2.25" magnaflow exhaust? Last night there was a "dragva" meet with about 300 cars in a parking garage, cops stayed at the entrance and handed out $160 exhaust tickets. Although I really want a big, open (loud) exhaust, I can't really afford the hassle. Only alternative is racing beat, but I HATE the tip.
And, its come up that MAMotorsports is thinking about coming out with a low boost, non intercooled kit. You got some competition
October-3rd-2004, 10:34 AM
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All engines whether boosted or not are in "danger" of running rich or lean. The way to correct this is with stand alone fuel management. I'm using the Haltech F10X to controll all fuel duties. This feature allows the AFR's to be monitored and controlled with greater accuracy and safety than any FMU/voltage clamp could ever hope to provide.
What guages are neccessary?? I personally will be using a boost guage and fuel pressure guage. An AF guage would be "ok" I guess but nothing you'll be able to do about if it should run too rich or lean. Also, the guages are hardly accurate enough to give proper readings. Only dyno testing with wideband monitoring will let you know exactly what you're doing.
A 2.25" exhaust will be fine. The main concern with a superchargers exhaust is that you have a decent header. Getting gas away from the head is key. With a tight exhaust you run the risk of backpressure blowing a headgasket. I suggest the Wagner shorty header and high-flow DP or the Obx 4-1. These will both work very well.
I also saw their post about the "budget turbo kit". The price is very good for what you get but I would be VERY leary of any turbo kit without an intercooler. Even at low boost levels you're still adding a LOT of heat into the intake charge and engine bay. This is hardly smart. Also their kit comes with NO ems. This is somewhat nice in that you can choose your EMS but EMS is not cheap. The haltech I'm using is on sale right now for $1000. If you add that to the $1900 non-intercooled kit you're still more expensive and still not intercooled. I'm not worried about competition. Selling someone FI that is lacking KEY componants is NOT doing anyone a favor. My kit will come with everything needed right down to the spark plugs, cooling system upgrades, etc.....
What would you rather put under your hood? A $1900 non-intercooled incomplete turbo kit or $2500 custom supercharger kit with everything needed and then some!
What guages are neccessary?? I personally will be using a boost guage and fuel pressure guage. An AF guage would be "ok" I guess but nothing you'll be able to do about if it should run too rich or lean. Also, the guages are hardly accurate enough to give proper readings. Only dyno testing with wideband monitoring will let you know exactly what you're doing.
A 2.25" exhaust will be fine. The main concern with a superchargers exhaust is that you have a decent header. Getting gas away from the head is key. With a tight exhaust you run the risk of backpressure blowing a headgasket. I suggest the Wagner shorty header and high-flow DP or the Obx 4-1. These will both work very well.
I also saw their post about the "budget turbo kit". The price is very good for what you get but I would be VERY leary of any turbo kit without an intercooler. Even at low boost levels you're still adding a LOT of heat into the intake charge and engine bay. This is hardly smart. Also their kit comes with NO ems. This is somewhat nice in that you can choose your EMS but EMS is not cheap. The haltech I'm using is on sale right now for $1000. If you add that to the $1900 non-intercooled kit you're still more expensive and still not intercooled. I'm not worried about competition. Selling someone FI that is lacking KEY componants is NOT doing anyone a favor. My kit will come with everything needed right down to the spark plugs, cooling system upgrades, etc.....
What would you rather put under your hood? A $1900 non-intercooled incomplete turbo kit or $2500 custom supercharger kit with everything needed and then some!
October-3rd-2004, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Roddimus Prime
yeah, Just south of Birmingham
could you run the 4-2-1 header instead of the 4-1? i want to make power in the lower RPMS rather than high, i want the most longevity (spelling?) from my engine, even though im gonna put a S/C on it. the 4-2-1 i heard makes more power near mid RPMS where the 4-1 is higher...
sorry about the lousy questions..
October-3rd-2004, 10:00 PM
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honestly man. The difference between the two on an NA motor is so small you would never know it. On a FI set-up it becomes even less aparent. You're wanting to increase mid-range power?? step on the pedal. Let the blower do the work and the header get rid of the gas.
Buying a 4-2-1 header over a 4-1 header on a SC car is like arguing about which brand cigarette lighter to get in your porsche because one may require less voltage to pop out.
there is NO lousy question....I'd let you know if there was. I'm just trying to prevent you from spending unneccessarily.
Buying a 4-2-1 header over a 4-1 header on a SC car is like arguing about which brand cigarette lighter to get in your porsche because one may require less voltage to pop out.
there is NO lousy question....I'd let you know if there was. I'm just trying to prevent you from spending unneccessarily.
October-3rd-2004, 10:05 PM
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Buying a 4-2-1 header over a 4-1 header on a SC car is like arguing about which brand cigarette lighter to get in your porsche because one may require less voltage to pop out.
Nice.
Nice.
October-6th-2004, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Roddimus Prime
honestly man. The difference between the two on an NA motor is so small you would never know it. On a FI set-up it becomes even less aparent. You're wanting to increase mid-range power?? step on the pedal. Let the blower do the work and the header get rid of the gas.
Buying a 4-2-1 header over a 4-1 header on a SC car is like arguing about which brand cigarette lighter to get in your porsche because one may require less voltage to pop out.
there is NO lousy question....I'd let you know if there was. I'm just trying to prevent you from spending unneccessarily.
Buying a 4-2-1 header over a 4-1 header on a SC car is like arguing about which brand cigarette lighter to get in your porsche because one may require less voltage to pop out.
there is NO lousy question....I'd let you know if there was. I'm just trying to prevent you from spending unneccessarily.
thanks for the heads up, i like asking you before i buy something for my car. your straightforward.
October-6th-2004, 09:31 PM
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I try!
October-7th-2004, 11:53 PM
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The project almost done need to get w.o.m.ped. whats the update got money for this and new tires. wanna show my nephew's VR6 whats up. 
October-8th-2004, 08:26 AM
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hahaha, get a tag that says "VR6 WHO".... Everything is coming along nicely with the exception of new updates from DaveB. He is swamped with work at his shop and I understand delays. He promised on 2 different occassions he would get online and post a progress report and some updated pics. He has yet to do this in 4 weeks.
Last I heard he has the blower bracket made but feels by slightly altering it a little he can make it sturdier.
The powersteering relocation bracket is 100% designed and just needs to be machined and sent to me for trial fitting.
The pulleys are designed with the exception of the mounting lead. The pulley powerdyne included was supposed to be seperate from the blower since I was never actually going to use it. They not only installed it on the blower but they notched it so it wouldn't slip or come off.....Dave is worried if he tries to force it off he may damage the bearing packs. I told him to do it anyway and I'll deal with any rebuilds the blower may need.
Dave told me he would have the ps pump bracket finished this week and shipped off to me so I should have it early next week (I'm expecting monday or tuesday). I have still not heard from him to see if it's been done much less shipped.
I'm trying very hard to maintain interest in this project since there seem to be so many people who would prefer a supercharger to a turbo. It's getting more and more difficult to do with so many set backs and delays. Deadlines not being met and promises not kept are NOT how I like to run things. However, I'm only as good as the information I'm given.
I spoke with Juan from HiBoost and he mentioned flying up here to personally tune the haltech for the supercharger. This is a big plus as his turbocharger maps are amazing and don't have any of the problems associated with the MPI and other tuners. If Juan is able to come up Ken from Protegegarage will be driving down his turbo p5 for the weekend and also doing some tuning. This is good news!!
Last I heard he has the blower bracket made but feels by slightly altering it a little he can make it sturdier.
The powersteering relocation bracket is 100% designed and just needs to be machined and sent to me for trial fitting.
The pulleys are designed with the exception of the mounting lead. The pulley powerdyne included was supposed to be seperate from the blower since I was never actually going to use it. They not only installed it on the blower but they notched it so it wouldn't slip or come off.....Dave is worried if he tries to force it off he may damage the bearing packs. I told him to do it anyway and I'll deal with any rebuilds the blower may need.
Dave told me he would have the ps pump bracket finished this week and shipped off to me so I should have it early next week (I'm expecting monday or tuesday). I have still not heard from him to see if it's been done much less shipped.
I'm trying very hard to maintain interest in this project since there seem to be so many people who would prefer a supercharger to a turbo. It's getting more and more difficult to do with so many set backs and delays. Deadlines not being met and promises not kept are NOT how I like to run things. However, I'm only as good as the information I'm given.
I spoke with Juan from HiBoost and he mentioned flying up here to personally tune the haltech for the supercharger. This is a big plus as his turbocharger maps are amazing and don't have any of the problems associated with the MPI and other tuners. If Juan is able to come up Ken from Protegegarage will be driving down his turbo p5 for the weekend and also doing some tuning. This is good news!!