protegeDX

ok i read from page 3 to 4 on this thread.. argue argue argue.. i believe if you guys that are smart with all this foced induction should get together to find the best setup for our 1g protege. seeing our community is so small, why dont we not argue and make the best of it for ourselves =P take advantage of everyone's knowledge. get together n explore stuff

my opinion, peace

turbo1g

I wass trying to say that the kit turboge makes can be bether for street use by using difrent turbo. But we got cheerleaders in here than dont know what is a compresor map and they telling me that in wrong.So if u people know how to read compreor maps go to www.turboneticsinc.com and read on compresor maps of toB 60-1 and to4E 60 trim and tell me what flows more air then we can talk.

turboge

This is not our street kit. This is a kit that was designed for one of our customers, but the manifold remains. Our street kit is a T3 with a .48 Exhaust and .60 Compressor. It spools fully by 3500 rpm and makes power to 7500 without a hassle. It is available in a .63 trim as well on the exhaust wheel but is not necessary until you change the cams and valvetrain.

The T4 we used for this particular turbo was a 50 trim.

turbo1g

ProtegeDX said to get together and to make good kits for a protege.First we got to start with turbos. All the kits that are made for honda and make good hp im not talking HK$ and Greddy turbo kits. Im talking about Drag generation turbo kits use big turbos. Honda cant take alot of bost because they have aluminum block and not so strong rods and pistons and the have open deck engines but they take adventage of flow with vtec buy using big turbos that flow a lot at low boost. Also i read posts that u trans will blow up @300 hp or 300 lbs tq. How any one can get those numbers i have no idea. I work on VW and i see weak transmisons they go with stock cars but there are people that run 10 sec with same transmisions How is this posible? So i dont think we got that weak transmisions on protege. Mine idea why trans will go at around 300 hp is just bacause somone is runing small turbo and is trying to pull the best time he can revs to 7000k drops the clutch and pair of slicks ,and i can see why the trans go,why not it wasnt design for that hp and tq. So let just say u will run big turbo that flows a lot of air at around 14-16 psi even with the stock head that turbo will make good hp. Big turbo has a lot of lag so it wont be that harsh on take off but u will make up with top end. You might get the slower time than somone that runs smaler turbo but you speed will be higher and in real life u will smoke them. That is just mine opinion and i think protege can be quick like other 4 cyl cars that are out there. Key to that is a right setup.

protegeDX

yep, our small supporting community has to get together and make the best of it for our cars seeing no one really wants to make any parts for our cars. we should all get together and experiment on stuff. teamwork with an open mind is good stuff.

btw, turbo1g, did u dyno ur car or run it at the track yet? im curious.

turbo1g

http://photos.yahoo.com/d2maz that is a link to mine dyno chart and time slip.my car is 9277.

turboge

Your dyno sheet looks almost exactly the same as mine with the GTX turbo at 8.5psi. Aren't you running the big IHI T3/T4?

turbo1g

the dyno is at 13 psi on ihi vj20 exaust housing with adapted t3 center section and .42ar t3 compresor housing with to4b s wheel.im runing stock injectorrs and gtx ecu.how did u get close numbrs on whp on 8.5 psi with vj 20.if stock gtx runs around 180 crank hp at 7.5 psi and peaking at 8.5 by red line.I know mine turbo is a bad turbo and wont flow due to restriction that vj 20 exaust housing makes.

turboge

My current setup:

94 Protege LX N/A Block w/ 8.8:1 Compression
94 Protege LX N/A Cams
95 Miata Ported & Polished Head w/ Heavy Duty Valve Springs
1.8 GTX Exhaust Manifold w/ VJ20 Turbo
450cc Eclipse Injectors
2.5" Downpipe into 3" Exhaust w/ 1 Turbo Muffler
ACT HD Clutch
Haltech E6K w/ Dual Trim ***** & 2bar MAP Sensor

It's all in the tuning, I will be tuning your exact same turbo on a friends Escort GT in a few months and I will show you what your turbo is supposed to be putting down to the ground. The problem with your setup lies in the injectors and ECU. Once you go to a standalone I wouldn't doubt you making another 50hp and 50lb-ft at those same boost levels.

As it stands right now, I still have 6psi more to play with. I'm guessing it will put down 275lb-ft and 265whp when I'm done. But really I'm just going to try for an even 250/250.

turbo1g

i got this turbo from knights turbos.turbo is a big junk.i talked to turbonetis and they told me that the setup is limited by exaust ar.it dont mather if i got a good compresor wheel exaust is restricted.at 10psi car was making 206 whp at 12a/f.they guy from knights turbos is a good sales man and he got me.i paid too much for that turbo and now im going difrent direction.also ihi turbo will peak high hp but the power would drop ant higher rpms.

dafoo21

whats the latest news on the 1.6 liter kit, did i miss anything?

killa

compare them for yourselves:
The T04B 60-1 compressor map:



vs the T04E 50 trim that turboge is using:



The 60-1 moves over 50lbs/min@ a 2:1 pressure ratio or 14.5 psi for those who dont know, (1 bar is 14.5 and not 14.7, 14.7 is 1 atm.)

The 50 trim moves about 38lbs/min@ the same 2:1 pressure ratio or 14.5 psi, these numbers dont lie, you can make huge amounts of hp without putting much pressure into the engine, no need for race gas either.
Just stating facts.
take care
Paul

killa

Forgot to add, the 60-1 will move more air at 15psi than the 50 trim will at 30+ psi.

turbo1g

and u forgot to add that 60-1 @15 psi will flow more than ihi @100psi