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April-25th-2002, 07:43 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: really
YES, you are correct...a presureized source, ....and that is what we have been talking about all along, so we were both correct in the statements we were making........sorry if there was a MISSCOMMUNICATION there....and your grandfather is sooooooooo right....they were a dumbass, that is putting it pretty kind in my book....but hey....guess what....we got dumbasses our there walking around....why do you think they put all those warning lables on every thing.....seriously do you think we REALLY need a lable on DRANO telling us not to drink it? well guess what? there is...why...because SOMEONE DID IT...and sued the **** out of the maker.....they should have been just taken out of the gene pool! lol
you are also correct about the escape door on the Mercury cabsule...it was different than the apolos...but obviously still didn't work that great.
you are also correct about the escape door on the Mercury cabsule...it was different than the apolos...but obviously still didn't work that great.
Originally posted by kc5zom
As to that oil reaction thing I looked that up. It requires a pressurized oxygen source, not just pure oxygen. Hence not using it in regulators and such. I asked my grandfather, who happens to be a welder, and he thought someone would have to be a real dumbass to actually have done that. It is pretty clearly marked on just about everything on his torch system. The ignition source in this example would be pressure. Putting oil in an environment of pure oxygen will not cause a combustion reaction at normal pressures.
Just so I don't hear anything else on this the reaction would be similar to that of a diesel. At a certian pressure the reaction is allowed to proceed. Pressure itself is pent up energy waiting to be released.
As to that oil reaction thing I looked that up. It requires a pressurized oxygen source, not just pure oxygen. Hence not using it in regulators and such. I asked my grandfather, who happens to be a welder, and he thought someone would have to be a real dumbass to actually have done that. It is pretty clearly marked on just about everything on his torch system. The ignition source in this example would be pressure. Putting oil in an environment of pure oxygen will not cause a combustion reaction at normal pressures.
Just so I don't hear anything else on this the reaction would be similar to that of a diesel. At a certian pressure the reaction is allowed to proceed. Pressure itself is pent up energy waiting to be released.
April-25th-2002, 08:09 AM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
I think you're missing something. It's not like just making the air that the engine takes in 8% (or whatever) more oxygen rich, its ADDING all that oxygen to the combustion process. Its the mass of oxygen youre injesting. Also, not to knock on Bristol's website, but they put a picture of Indy cars next an article about Nitrous Oxide..... Indy cars never used Nitrous Oxide.
And im not arguing, but i think that this is a GOOD discussion about how this stuff works. Even if its a tangent from the original question, its become quite informative.
I think you're missing something. It's not like just making the air that the engine takes in 8% (or whatever) more oxygen rich, its ADDING all that oxygen to the combustion process. Its the mass of oxygen youre injesting. Also, not to knock on Bristol's website, but they put a picture of Indy cars next an article about Nitrous Oxide..... Indy cars never used Nitrous Oxide.
And im not arguing, but i think that this is a GOOD discussion about how this stuff works. Even if its a tangent from the original question, its become quite informative.
It is funny that you use the phrase "I think your missing something" I was just about the say the same thing.
Well, I don't think we are going to solve the debate here. But if anyone ever comes across an actual proof for the internal workings of a NOS system, I would love to see it.
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April-25th-2002, 08:10 AM
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I got to thinking about this a little bit. If we decreased the size of the cylinders we could probably use pure oxygen. Decreasing the size would keep compression up and then add the right amount of fuel and voila. Instant bliss. You would have to decrease cylinder size because, I think we all agree, pure oxygen and fuel get along a little too well so it would be hard to handle the pressures on a stock engine. We would have to reduce the quantity of oxygen and fuel brought in and keep compression so we would need to decrease cylinder size. Either that or maybe have some titanium heads, blocks, valves, etc. made and shove all the damn air in there we can.
April-25th-2002, 10:40 AM
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now THAT sounds like an idea...anyone got a few 100 grand laying around that they don't really need or want? and want to DONATE it to an experiment?
hey don't laugh...it could happen!!!!
hey don't laugh...it could happen!!!!
April-25th-2002, 10:49 AM
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hey, maybe we could get a government research grant to see 
i'm being serious... this could also lead to more fuel efficient cars, granted you'll have to get your air tank refueled to, but hey... lol 
it could happen
i'm being serious... this could also lead to more fuel efficient cars, granted you'll have to get your air tank refueled to, but hey... lol it could happen
April-25th-2002, 02:02 PM
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finally
some way of doing it. lets see if everyone chipped in about $10 in this club we could have enough money. and then if we go to a university and bring this up with them they might actually think about it. now we should just get the ball rolling.
this could work what do ya'll think
this could work what do ya'll think
April-25th-2002, 02:19 PM
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Re: finally
Originally posted by 1chance
some way of doing it. lets see if everyone chipped in about $10 in this club we could have enough money. and then if we go to a university and bring this up with them they might actually think about it. now we should just get the ball rolling.
this could work what do ya'll think
some way of doing it. lets see if everyone chipped in about $10 in this club we could have enough money. and then if we go to a university and bring this up with them they might actually think about it. now we should just get the ball rolling.
this could work what do ya'll think
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April-25th-2002, 06:29 PM
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I seriously think it could work but there is no way in hell the govt. is going to let people drive around carrying pure oxygen. Plus the amount of oxygen we would need would make this impractical. NOS is good at what it does if you need it. That extra O it brings in does wonders. But in a lab situation it would definitely work. Probably produce a buttload more HP/L with lower fuel consumption too.
April-25th-2002, 11:44 PM
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hydrogen
what about the cars that they are thinking about having a tank of hydrogen? isnt hydro as dangerous as O2? and i know they will be in fule cells for "safety" but you are hit hard those things will ignite. what if you were able to control the amount of O2 into the engine...like nos...so you use very little but still make huge hp? there is always something out of everything right?
April-26th-2002, 03:15 PM
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but Menace...you CAN buy O2.....go to a welding supply house....they have it there all day long...
you may not be able to go out and buy MEDICAL grade, certified for breathing....but you CAN buy pure oxygen.
you may not be able to go out and buy MEDICAL grade, certified for breathing....but you CAN buy pure oxygen.
April-26th-2002, 05:42 PM
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Re: hydrogen
Originally posted by 1chance
what about the cars that they are thinking about having a tank of hydrogen? isnt hydro as dangerous as O2? and i know they will be in fule cells for "safety" but you are hit hard those things will ignite. what if you were able to control the amount of O2 into the engine...like nos...so you use very little but still make huge hp? there is always something out of everything right?
what about the cars that they are thinking about having a tank of hydrogen? isnt hydro as dangerous as O2? and i know they will be in fule cells for "safety" but you are hit hard those things will ignite. what if you were able to control the amount of O2 into the engine...like nos...so you use very little but still make huge hp? there is always something out of everything right?
April-28th-2002, 01:38 AM
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Wet or Dry...?
what is the difference between a wet and dry NOS system? which one is better and which one can i turn more? what is WOT?
also is there a way that you can have a computer chip or something that will not let you inject Nos below 3000rpm and cut off at like 6500rpm?
oh yeah for people out there...i was reading this one reply things and the guy got all mad cuz people were using "NOS" for nitrous oxide and said to use "N2O" because nos is the name of a company. we all know that. we dont care. but NOS is easier to spell and it gets the point across better so whatever.
peace
also is there a way that you can have a computer chip or something that will not let you inject Nos below 3000rpm and cut off at like 6500rpm?
oh yeah for people out there...i was reading this one reply things and the guy got all mad cuz people were using "NOS" for nitrous oxide and said to use "N2O" because nos is the name of a company. we all know that. we dont care. but NOS is easier to spell and it gets the point across better so whatever.
peace