1chance

this might be the dumbest question to hit this page...anyways i have a few.

first...anyone know if they make front mount intake systems for P5 and MP3's? if they dont i will tryt o fabricate one and then sell them...anyone want to have one?

2nd-how bad would Nos **** up the engine. i would hardly use it. but say if i were to use it...would my engine fry? cuz i saw a tv show where they add Nos to a honda that was older (like around 75miles) and it didnt do anything to the car. so i was wondering if nos is good.

3rd- the really dumb question. ok nos introduces more sir into the combustion chamber, which then makes more power. but the oxygen % that is introduce is only around 36%. so i was wondering what would happen if you shot pure oxygen into a motor. i know it might be too lean. but what if you over came that. what what happen? anyone know?

peace


honda is going down

Installshield

1. AEM and Injen make the most popular intakes for the P5 MP3 Es 2.0 etc. I believe you are refering to a Intake that travels from the front bumper or below that "scoops" air right? (similar two what a lot of people do to 2.5rs's) If that is the case I think custom is only way to go. I have never read a whole lot on these types of intakes except stay away from wet roads with them

2. Do a search on Nitrous. A few members have plumbed nitrous systems into their proteges and I believe one person had some problems

3. In Physical Science class in high school I asked what would happen to a forest fire if the entire atmosphere was 100% oxygen. I don't remember what he said but it was something like a lit match would engulf the whole earth or something stupid like that. I do know that Oxygen is extremely flamable. Most likely our engines could not handle the extreme pressure of pure oxygen.

Some math ****:


our atmosphere is approx. 76% nitrogen and the rest some oxygen, pollution, etc. and we make 130hp at sea level, or near it. (please don't quote me on these numbers I am in a network administration major and we don't deal with this stuff to often) Lets say for the argument that Earth's atmosphere is 10% oxygen, I think it is closer to 7% but again I am not sure. If we double that to 20% would that mean we were doubling our power? If so then with 100% oxygen we would be making 130 * 10= 1300hp! Ha, I am going to Dick's Home Care now and getting a Oxygen tank!

I am pretty sure I am full of BS with all of that but the point is that I don't think our engines could handle that. If anyone else knows otherwise please let us know.

1chance

well **** i am going to try to do something about that air thing. if i could make a system know how tight that would be...anyways you have to stay away from wet roads with the front intakes. i read that there was some kind of shield in front of it. well i guess that is another thing i can work on. well thanks. and the numbers i dont know too much about them wither so its all good. what about nitro in the engine. now wouldnt that be tight?

Installshield

Thanks for clearing those numbers up. I had a feeling they were off.


This may be way off too. Isn't the fuel used in some space shuttles and rockets a mixture of concentrated or liquid 02 or something? I don't remember if I read that somewhere

1chance

well since the general disscussion is that if air is added then it might blow up the engine, wouldnt that be fun to just find out?

so what other means of adding more oxygen. since nos only adds about 36% of O2 in, is there other forms of gases that will burn like nos but have higher O2 content?

i am not good with chenistry but i am good at blowing things up. so if anyways has something that might work i could try. but i really need to find out about adding pure O2 into the chamber.

what about a system of O2, Nos, and fuel. since you would be adding Nos to ignite the O2 it might just work. who know right?

1chance

the reason that there is only 36% of O2 in a bottle of Nos is because the nitrogen is used to act as a cushion so that the O2 doesnt burn to hot and start to melt components with in the engine. so i guess that is why. but who knows. when is the lasat time someone hooked up a tank and really saw what happens.

Sir Nuke

well I will tell you what would happen....your motor would CRATER in a matter of seconds.....if you were lucky...that is all that would happen.

YES...Oxygen is an OXIDIZER....there is ONE thing you NEVER EVER do around 100% oxygen...and that is get hydrocarbons in contact with it....such as ANY fuel, or grease or oil you have in your car....in the presence of 100% oxygen...they will spontainously combust....and that could actually feed down a line TO your tank....and then not only is the motor history....so is the car...and EVERYONE in it.

this is NOT a good idea.....and as they say on tv..

"DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS AT HOME"

for if you do....you will only do it once.

Sir Nuke

Oxidation is a chemical process of elements breaking down....depending on the elements...they oxidize in different ways....

IRON/Carbon steel oxidizes and produces RUST.....when fuel elements oxidize they create heat....and combustion occurs once a critical temperature is reached.

the faster this chemical reaction happens....the more heat builds up....and possibly the more violent the combustion is that takes place.

this is why when 100% oxygen comes in contact with combustables it can EXPLODE....the chemical reaction is incredibly fast and violent.

Many things that WILL burn, won't unless you mix in an appropriate amount of Oxygen.....believe it or not....Gasoline in its LIQUID form does NOT burn....you have to vaporize it or ATOMIZE IT (mix it with oxygen) to get it to burn....BTW...it vaporizes naturally at temps as low as -20 deg. F. these are the FUMES you smell. all things that will burn have a FLASH POINT, this is the LOWEST temperature at which the vapors of a substance will ignite. an example...Paper....its flash point is 451 Deg F....if you put some paper in the oven...and slowly raise the temp....once the paper reaches 451...it will burst into flames.

okay....is this any clearer now?

BryanPendleton

I'm no Chemi, but I believe that the "contiminants" in our air (ie. Nitrogen, etc.) acutally serve to cool the combustion process. Without those other elements the combustion temperatures would be too excessive and you would probably have severe detonation problems as well as probably exceding the melting point of your aluminum pistons, and other hardware.

1chance

the nitrogen acts as a softener. so the temp dont get to that point. well that is why you cant add pure oxyegn. but i am really determinded to find the best comb. like 75% O2. that would be good.

1chance

if confused read the title

kc5zom

Numero uno here is that oxygen when mixed with hydrocarbons does not spontaneously combust. You need energy to allow the 02 (which is a stable molecule ie. both oxygen molecules are satisfied on their outer orbits) to react with the hydrocarbons. The spark in an engine provides the energy necessary to cause the 02 to react with the hydrocarbons. Number two is that you still need to maintain the A/F ratio in the engine. So if you are running 100% oxygen you would need to mix a buttload of fuel with it in order to prevent a severely lean condition which would destroy your motor. Not to mention that the fuel you would need to react with that oxygen would produce enough pressure when it did combust to destroy the entire motor anyway. I could envision parts flying around everywhere. Plus the fact oxygen is extremely corrosive and will cause a great deal of damage if it should happen to come into contact with some energy and some materials it can combust with. Apollo 1 was the result of a little electrical fire (which would have been fine under normal atmospheric conditions) being ignited in a pure oxygen environment where it was able to rapidly react with the other substances. Not to mention the fact that the escape hatch took so damn long to get off (which more than anything else killed those guys). In short that little bit of nitrogen in NOS is a good and necessary thing.

Sir Nuke

Obviously YOU have never seen someone screw up and put oil or grease on an OXYGEN cylinder to lubircate the threads of the valve....then open the valve only to have it explode in their face....don't say it can't happen....it has.

azrakain

diesels glow, not spark. Someone earlier said that Nitrous is 36 percent oxygen and 64 percent Nitrogen, I'm assuming. I use that special blend when I scuba dive. They call it enriched air or Nitrox and I can get it blended in almost any mixture. It allows you to stay under the water longer with out getting decompression sickness. The most I have ever dove with was 36 percent. I can get a 120Lb. tank filled for $5. Is this the same by any chance? If so I just found the power/dollar equalizer. No more $30-40 for refils on a 10Lb. bottle. Anyone got any ideas on this?

1chance

you would think it would be the same. since O2 and nitrogen dont change forms from one bottle to the other.

so now the questions are do you have to be a diver in order to fill up your tank?

and how long is a divers tank, cuz could you mount that in your car?