craigrrrp

sheesh..............you all are crazy

craigrrrp

oh yea..... and i now have a headache......thanks guys

Sir Nuke

Craig...you are SOOOOOOOOOO welcome...we are so pleased we could do you a service! lol lol

craigrrrp

oh,... so it was YOU that started this huh?.... sir nuke....should have guessed....lololol

1chance

damn all i wanted to know what would happen if you put pure O2 into an engine. i just wanted to know if it was possible.

then the whole NOS thing came up and so i asked about propane. no one knows anything about the propane so that is alight. so now i am going to end all this bull **** about people getting mad about what NOS and its chemical solutions do to a car's engine.


NOS will add as much power as you want. from 20hp to 200hp or whatever. IT IS DANGEROUS. we kinda figured that out. if you didnt know this then dont stick a bottle in your car. IF the NOS has 36% O2 then it will give you the above stated gains for brief seconds. thats right anymore than that your car WILL blow its self up, unless you really modify the **** out of it. who cares how the damn thing makes so much power even if they dont realse all the info and that other articles say something else. it works and let it be. you run the risk of using it.

there nothing more. no more arguing. i was just wondering about it and it seems people like to make you feel dumb if you know nothing about chemistry. so sorry for not knowing that is why i came here.

and no more arguing.

stocker

If it was me that made you feel dumb about chemistry, I apologize, I sometimes take certain things for granted that I shouldn't.

If it makes you feel better, I found this on the net, just a quote from an edmunds column.

"Finally, AEH inquired about the use of pure oxygen in engines. "Why not bleed pure oxygen into the engine instead of nitrous oxide?" Unlike nitrous oxide, pure oxygen IS highly combustible. If a compressed tank of oxygen was in a vehicle, and that vehicle was involved in an accident, well, let's just say that going fast would be the least of your worries. "

So don't worry you are not the first person to wonder about this concept. Another thing you should be aware of is, your idea is completely valid, a man by the name of Stirling built an engine that ran on pure oxygen and diesel. Check out the link below.

http://www.subsim.com/ssr/frank1.html

Sometimes the best ideas are the craziest ones.
Peace
Stocker

kc5zom

Number #1: The principle of diesel is compression and a little bit of heat (left over from previous reactions).

Number #2: The official cause of death for those poor guys was poisoning. They actually were not burned bad at all. They were killed by the poisons that built up in the atmosphere. I know this because I actually read a book about it instead of just watching the movie.

1chance

this is a great converstation but people are getting a little too heated about who is right that is all. so everyone just cool down. this is something that, i believe, should be talked about since there is alot of people seeing the movie "Fast and the Furious" and adding nos to their cars and could getting themsleves into alot of trouble. pushing the botton is more than extra power to the wheels.

stocker dont worry about making me feel dumb...i got through chemistry-barely. just no more arguing.

1chance

what book did you read. cuz that is kinda wierd that those guys died of posioning. that is really wierd considering the extreme temos they went through. that is really wierd. oh you know the Challenger that exploded. the reason that they died was from drowning?

kc5zom

Sir Nuke I cannot even begin to understand what you mean by that? How could putting grease or oil on a thread make an oxygen cylinder explode?

kc5zom

The book is called "Apollo 13" written by Jim Lovell. Read it. The fire actually snuffed itself out pretty quickly. All of the oxygen in there made the combustion proceed at a very rapid rate. When they actually opened the capsule there were no residual flames. Just a crapload of noxious smoke. Imagine all that plastic in there burning. Did you know that plastic emits toxins when it is burned? Also if you read you will notice a couple of things NASA changed explicitly (aside from the whole Apollo capsule which was entirely redesigned after the accident):

1. The escape hatch mechanism, which took over 30 seconds to open in good conditions and required men on the outside and inside acting together to get it open. A side note is that earlier designs used explosive charges. After one of the astronauts (his name escapes me) blew his hatch and sank his capsule they decided to change that. There is still a debate about whether the astronaut actually blew the hatch or it malfunctioned. The spacecraft ended up at the bottom of the sea (I think they recovered it recently).

2. The environmental oxygen was reduced drastically. To prevent a flash fire like this from ever happening again.

chdesign

OH asnd stocker i do know about my engine and I actually don't spray my engine anymore i don't even have the kit anymore I sold it.

Sir Nuke

the poor idiot thought he was doing good...lubricating the threads of the valve so that connections could be more easily attached and removed....then he noticed that some muddobbers had started to build a nest INSIDE the valve and was going to blow it out with the gas....when he opened the valve and it reacted with the oils...it exploded....it will happen...it HAS happened....

if you doubt it....go to ANY welding supply house worth dealing with....or talk to a welder....ask them what happens when or IF they were to use or put oil/greases on the oxygen bottle threads or on their regulators...or any part of the apparatus....they will tell you...it will EXPLODE. and it has NOTHING to do with any other ignition source.

Sir Nuke

the Astronauts name was Gus Grissom and we are talking about a Mercury mission now...NOT apollo, gus grissom sank his capsule LONG before an Apolo mission ever left the ground.

kc5zom

That sounds right. I don't like to print things without verifying them. And the sinking of that capsule is a major reason that they changed the systems for the Apollo. I believe Gemini used a different system as well but I can't verify that.

As to that oil reaction thing I looked that up. It requires a pressurized oxygen source, not just pure oxygen. Hence not using it in regulators and such. I asked my grandfather, who happens to be a welder, and he thought someone would have to be a real dumbass to actually have done that. It is pretty clearly marked on just about everything on his torch system. The ignition source in this example would be pressure. Putting oil in an environment of pure oxygen will not cause a combustion reaction at normal pressures.

Just so I don't hear anything else on this the reaction would be similar to that of a diesel. At a certian pressure the reaction is allowed to proceed. Pressure itself is pent up energy waiting to be released.