W.O.M.P. Supercharger for 2.0L proteges
December-12th-2004, 02:28 PM
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funny WOMP pics
I saw this from SpicyMcHaggis and thought I'd share with you guys...
It's good advice if you care about your face!
Operators are standing by.
It's good advice if you care about your face!
Operators are standing by.
December-12th-2004, 10:51 PM
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Hey Matt, I asked this question a few days ago but I think I left out that I have the LX Sedan! Will the intercooler fit on my car under the stock front bumper? I would like to stay as Factory as possible. SLEEPER!!!
December-13th-2004, 08:02 AM
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#5. What happened to the front mount intercooler idea?
Intercooling became an issue when I was working on using the Procharger blower. ATI sells their superchargers with a small front mount intercooler because their blowers have internal gears and gear oil that get hot and add heat to the intake charge. This in turn makes the system less efficient and an intercooler is REQUIRED to keep the temps at an acceptable level. With the Powerdyne this is not a concern. Powerdynes are internally belt driven so they produce no additonal heat or gear whine. Also since they aren't driven by hot exhaust gas they don't add 300* temps to their charge. Another great feature of the Powerdyne is in case of failure. Eventually the internal belt inside the blower will break. This is not a big problem at all. Should the belt break while you're driving the car YOUR CAR REVERTS BACK TO STOCK. It will idle and run like normal with the only sideaffect being no boost. Now, should you insert an intercooler into the mix then engine will actually have to suck harder to get air in it will cause some slight driveability issues. Intercooler can be added and will most likely be an option at one set price (shooting for $650) for both kits.
Intercooling became an issue when I was working on using the Procharger blower. ATI sells their superchargers with a small front mount intercooler because their blowers have internal gears and gear oil that get hot and add heat to the intake charge. This in turn makes the system less efficient and an intercooler is REQUIRED to keep the temps at an acceptable level. With the Powerdyne this is not a concern. Powerdynes are internally belt driven so they produce no additonal heat or gear whine. Also since they aren't driven by hot exhaust gas they don't add 300* temps to their charge. Another great feature of the Powerdyne is in case of failure. Eventually the internal belt inside the blower will break. This is not a big problem at all. Should the belt break while you're driving the car YOUR CAR REVERTS BACK TO STOCK. It will idle and run like normal with the only sideaffect being no boost. Now, should you insert an intercooler into the mix then engine will actually have to suck harder to get air in it will cause some slight driveability issues. Intercooler can be added and will most likely be an option at one set price (shooting for $650) for both kits.
December-13th-2004, 08:58 AM
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That FAQ made good reading, its also cleared up quite alot for me about why you are "only" running 6psi...
I had not taken into account where the pressue was measured or the difference between a turbo and a S/C.
From the Powerdyne FAQ it suggests that you can run the MAF on the outlet side of the blower (or am I missing somthing) this would make routing your pipe work a load easyer.
I guess the only other option you have is to extend the wiring for the MAF so you can put it closer to the blower and use it on the inlet side ?!
One small word of caution, while experimenting here in the UK, I found that the MAF really dont like having the filter right on it, it seems that it was less able to mesure air unless the airflow was smooth.. HTH....
I had not taken into account where the pressue was measured or the difference between a turbo and a S/C.
From the Powerdyne FAQ it suggests that you can run the MAF on the outlet side of the blower (or am I missing somthing) this would make routing your pipe work a load easyer.
I guess the only other option you have is to extend the wiring for the MAF so you can put it closer to the blower and use it on the inlet side ?!
One small word of caution, while experimenting here in the UK, I found that the MAF really dont like having the filter right on it, it seems that it was less able to mesure air unless the airflow was smooth.. HTH....
December-13th-2004, 03:52 PM
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My kit will blow through the MAF...which is to say that the MAF will be placed after the blower before the TB. This done for a few reasons but most importnatly is the small size of the MAF will be a huge bottleneck on the inlet side but only a mediocre bottleneck on the charge side! It's the lesser of two evils. Ultimately and idealy we'd run full standalone and remove the maf all together but cost is a key consideration.
December-13th-2004, 09:34 PM
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#4. What other mods will I need for this kit to work on my car?
This is often overlooked when adding a serious power-adder to a vehicle. The rest of the system must be able keep up with all of the extra air you're now cramming into the vehicle. I will be creating the intake, Haltech will handle the fuel, stock ignition is plenty good enough. That just leaves exhaust. Right now my car has the OBX 4-1 header on and I have noticed that it opens up the engine bay a lot which comes in handy when installing this blower. Also, it allows the engine to breather a lot better than the stock exhaust would. IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU UPGRADE YOUR EXHAUST TO INCLUDE A HEADER OF SOME KIND AND A HIGH-FLOW CAT (if you need it). I suggest the OBX header from protegegarage.com for those who do not have a visual emissions inspection. I suggest the Wagner header and DP for those who do have visual inspections. With a proper tune on the Haltech you will not throw a CEL with one cat and you will pass a sniffer test (again if properly tuned). I do not have any emissions testing here and sadly cannot pre-tune the ecu so you can pass emissions. This will either have to be done by yourself or a compitent tuner.
Aside from exhaust everything needed to make this run well will be included in the kit. Of course you will need to run a minimum of 91 octane unless you feel your tuning skills are THAT good. Also, the stock fuel system has been proven to hold well over 250whp with tuning. At this time I dont think any upgrades are needed to the fuel system.
This is often overlooked when adding a serious power-adder to a vehicle. The rest of the system must be able keep up with all of the extra air you're now cramming into the vehicle. I will be creating the intake, Haltech will handle the fuel, stock ignition is plenty good enough. That just leaves exhaust. Right now my car has the OBX 4-1 header on and I have noticed that it opens up the engine bay a lot which comes in handy when installing this blower. Also, it allows the engine to breather a lot better than the stock exhaust would. IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU UPGRADE YOUR EXHAUST TO INCLUDE A HEADER OF SOME KIND AND A HIGH-FLOW CAT (if you need it). I suggest the OBX header from protegegarage.com for those who do not have a visual emissions inspection. I suggest the Wagner header and DP for those who do have visual inspections. With a proper tune on the Haltech you will not throw a CEL with one cat and you will pass a sniffer test (again if properly tuned). I do not have any emissions testing here and sadly cannot pre-tune the ecu so you can pass emissions. This will either have to be done by yourself or a compitent tuner.
Aside from exhaust everything needed to make this run well will be included in the kit. Of course you will need to run a minimum of 91 octane unless you feel your tuning skills are THAT good. Also, the stock fuel system has been proven to hold well over 250whp with tuning. At this time I dont think any upgrades are needed to the fuel system.
December-14th-2004, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Roddimus Prime
My kit will blow through the MAF...which is to say that the MAF will be placed after the blower before the TB. This done for a few reasons but most importnatly is the small size of the MAF will be a huge bottleneck on the inlet side but only a mediocre bottleneck on the charge side! It's the lesser of two evils. Ultimately and idealy we'd run full standalone and remove the maf all together but cost is a key consideration.
December-14th-2004, 02:12 PM
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no, the MAF is only able to check density not pressure. The cars come with a factory MAP (Manifold absolute pressure) sensor but it is only 1 bar and able to read atmospheric pressure not boost (above atmosphere. My kit will include a 2bar MAP sensor that will be used to give accurate readings to the ecu under boost.
December-28th-2004, 03:45 AM
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any updates
December-28th-2004, 09:51 AM
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Afraid not, There were some complications at DaveB's shop and I've been told he'd have everything done this week while they are closed and the machines will be open.
December-29th-2004, 01:47 PM
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Anyone else getting a massive sence of Deja Vu...
that said it IS christmas after all and Dave is the man ! besides i cant help it I am waiting for this as much as anyone else, the Mrs has even agreed to another car so i can supercharge it
yahoo
that said it IS christmas after all and Dave is the man ! besides i cant help it I am waiting for this as much as anyone else, the Mrs has even agreed to another car so i can supercharge it
yahoo
December-29th-2004, 01:57 PM
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nice, I'm STILL waiting but I'm sure it'll be well worth it.
December-29th-2004, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Roddimus Prime
I suggest the OBX header from protegegarage.com for those who do not have a visual emissions inspection.
Protegegarage is closed...Better stick with Andy
December-29th-2004, 06:45 PM
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I guess I should update that!! Thanks for the heads up. If anyone is interested in using the OBX header Chris at SPD Racing (FC3Sboy) said he'd be able to handle all orders for me. Anyone can contact either myself or him.
January-3rd-2005, 02:37 AM
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Is the a pillar and boost gauge still gonna come with the kit now that pgarage is closed?