2003 Msp Reverse Problems
March-21st-2003, 02:21 PM
#62
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Originally posted by eeterp
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...rue#Post356064
if the dyno pic shows you'll see 393whp on an SR20DET with NO internal modifications!
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...rue#Post356064
if the dyno pic shows you'll see 393whp on an SR20DET with NO internal modifications!
March-21st-2003, 02:33 PM
#63
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
Where did you pull this from?
Where did you pull this from?
Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
FWIW, Dave Lazier's motor was NEVER rebuilt after it was originally built, and was putting down over 500whp. On a regular BP, 400whp is achieveable on totally stock internals, head, etc.
FWIW, Dave Lazier's motor was NEVER rebuilt after it was originally built, and was putting down over 500whp. On a regular BP, 400whp is achieveable on totally stock internals, head, etc.
Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
the old Cosworth YBD had ~400 hp and it came FROM THE FACTORY like that...another 2L. That wasnt on race fuel..
the old Cosworth YBD had ~400 hp and it came FROM THE FACTORY like that...another 2L. That wasnt on race fuel..
Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
400hp isnt easy, but its not magic either. The simple fact is that this guy is retarded. If he ever did come out to a meet, the first words out of his mouth would be, "im running low boost for the street." which equates to, "i'm full of ****, laugh at me."
400hp isnt easy, but its not magic either. The simple fact is that this guy is retarded. If he ever did come out to a meet, the first words out of his mouth would be, "im running low boost for the street." which equates to, "i'm full of ****, laugh at me."
Of course it isn't magic. People take 1.8L honda engines and pump out 800+ horsepower in drag cars. I'm just saying that with stock tranny and stock internals, I don't believe it.
March-21st-2003, 04:09 PM
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as a matter of fact i have dyno results
the purpose for the invitation is for even just one of you sceptics to see it in person
also i dont have any problems with that person or persons driving the vehicle
also at that time if you would like to see results of the dyno no problem
on top of that if you pick a meet where we can dyno it on the spot ill pay for it just to make my claims really stick
do you think i cant make some grafts up and show the power levels
this talk of low boost and anyother **** is an exuse for you not to meet
i dont have the problem believing it
if you would like to see a really neatly designed turbo p5 putting out serios numbers then maybe youll accept this offer
installshield your not bieng an ******* just a little ignorant!
i didnt start doing this yesterday
later
the purpose for the invitation is for even just one of you sceptics to see it in person
also i dont have any problems with that person or persons driving the vehicle
also at that time if you would like to see results of the dyno no problem
on top of that if you pick a meet where we can dyno it on the spot ill pay for it just to make my claims really stick
do you think i cant make some grafts up and show the power levels
this talk of low boost and anyother **** is an exuse for you not to meet
i dont have the problem believing it
if you would like to see a really neatly designed turbo p5 putting out serios numbers then maybe youll accept this offer
installshield your not bieng an ******* just a little ignorant!
i didnt start doing this yesterday
later
March-21st-2003, 04:12 PM
#65
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Re: prove it
Originally posted by nickkaranikas
i wish i new more about computers to post my own
anyway back to the proposition
as soon as i figure out how to post some pictures i will
definatly by next week when i get my digital camera back
i wish i new more about computers to post my own
anyway back to the proposition
as soon as i figure out how to post some pictures i will
definatly by next week when i get my digital camera back
When are the pics coming?
March-21st-2003, 06:00 PM
#67
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Petersburg, PA a few miles from my old house...(Just kidding, there is like 6 houses there and a dirt road)
I am not claiming that you started doing this yesterday, and obviously the tech guys on this forum didn't either...
Your **** is simply not adding up, I still don't see how someone seeing your car is going to equal 440hp. One of us driving it won't either, it will probably run harder than a stock P5 (I would hope) but that does not mean it is creating 440hp. Jesse mentioned the G-series gearboxes pledging allegiance to the underground with a N/A tuned Speed Challenge cars too, which create around 230+whp with no where near that amount of torque. You mentioned above about someone not knowing the difference between torque and hp and which guts the box. Torque will kill it (Or extremely high revs, but that is a different story), and 440hp Turbo'd engine will make a lot more torque than a high compression tuned N/A engine...Plus you added a the limited slip which will put even more stress on the box...please clear this up???
I am not claiming that you started doing this yesterday, and obviously the tech guys on this forum didn't either...
Your **** is simply not adding up, I still don't see how someone seeing your car is going to equal 440hp. One of us driving it won't either, it will probably run harder than a stock P5 (I would hope) but that does not mean it is creating 440hp. Jesse mentioned the G-series gearboxes pledging allegiance to the underground with a N/A tuned Speed Challenge cars too, which create around 230+whp with no where near that amount of torque. You mentioned above about someone not knowing the difference between torque and hp and which guts the box. Torque will kill it (Or extremely high revs, but that is a different story), and 440hp Turbo'd engine will make a lot more torque than a high compression tuned N/A engine...Plus you added a the limited slip which will put even more stress on the box...please clear this up???
March-23rd-2003, 08:54 PM
#73
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Originally posted by Scarmiglio
Regardless, 393whp is not 400+whp, so there!!!
Regardless, 393whp is not 400+whp, so there!!!
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...=&fpart=1&vc=1
happy?
March-24th-2003, 12:22 AM
#74
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Originally posted by eeterp
Ok..........here's 409hp, stock block and head........
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...=&fpart=1&vc=1
happy?
Ok..........here's 409hp, stock block and head........
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...=&fpart=1&vc=1
happy?
! Ya gotta rev it pretty high to get that power though. Pretty steep curve. Guess it's the turbo setup. Heheh crazy though!
May-3rd-2003, 05:27 AM
#75
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A little math...
I am late as hell to this thread...After doing some math I realized a few things:
1. Nick is close to what he needs, but may not quite be there..
2. What type of boost he will need to run with the type of fuel flow he needs.
Fuel setup
2 Injectors at 36.73 lb/hr (386 cc/min)
4 Stock Injectors at 26.6 lb/hr 280 cc/min)
FMU (this would have to raise the fuel pressure to 120 PSIG, at which 10 PSI of boost or more would be the match)
Here we go
Horsepower * B.S.F.C
__________________
No. of Injectors * 0.80 <---Duty Cycle of 80%
Doing this twice (once for the two 386cc injectors, and once for the four stock injectors) I added the results:
440 HP * .22
____________ = 36.73 lb/hr
2 * 0.80
440 HP * .32
____________ = 26.6 lb/hr
4 * 0.80
Taking the two B.S.F.C's and adding them, we get:
0.22 + 0.32 = 0.54
Brake specific fuel consumption (B.S.F.C.) should be .45 to .50 for naturally aspirated engines, .55 TO .60 for supercharged engines, and .60 to .65 for turbocharged engines.
By these calculations, Nick is in the ballpark of supercharged applications, but shy of the turbo range for the HP he's talking about.
Note: B.S.F.C. = How much fuel you are using per HP per hour (in lbs).
1. Nick is close to what he needs, but may not quite be there..
2. What type of boost he will need to run with the type of fuel flow he needs.
Fuel setup
2 Injectors at 36.73 lb/hr (386 cc/min)
4 Stock Injectors at 26.6 lb/hr 280 cc/min)
FMU (this would have to raise the fuel pressure to 120 PSIG, at which 10 PSI of boost or more would be the match)
Here we go
Horsepower * B.S.F.C
__________________
No. of Injectors * 0.80 <---Duty Cycle of 80%
Doing this twice (once for the two 386cc injectors, and once for the four stock injectors) I added the results:
440 HP * .22
____________ = 36.73 lb/hr
2 * 0.80
440 HP * .32
____________ = 26.6 lb/hr
4 * 0.80
Taking the two B.S.F.C's and adding them, we get:
0.22 + 0.32 = 0.54
Brake specific fuel consumption (B.S.F.C.) should be .45 to .50 for naturally aspirated engines, .55 TO .60 for supercharged engines, and .60 to .65 for turbocharged engines.
By these calculations, Nick is in the ballpark of supercharged applications, but shy of the turbo range for the HP he's talking about.
Note: B.S.F.C. = How much fuel you are using per HP per hour (in lbs).
Last edited by LinuxRacr; May-3rd-2003 at 06:06 AM.