Which one? Mustang or Mazda6
May-29th-2003, 12:07 AM
#62
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Originally posted by kc5zom
The day Mazda manages to put together a block as good as the 4.6 or 5.0 then you can start strutting about all the great Mazda quality.
The day Mazda manages to put together a block as good as the 4.6 or 5.0 then you can start strutting about all the great Mazda quality.
2) If the 4.6L V-8 is so good, please explain why the GM LS-1 (yes, the one with PUSHRODS) in the 98-02 F-body puts out more power and torque and gets better gas mileage, yet weighs less and is physically smaller than the 4.6L.
Ford can do some things right, but designing great engines doesn't seem to be one of those things.
There's a reason why Mazda designed the 2.3L four and extensively redesigned the Duratec V-6 before it was installed in the Mazda6. 
BTW I actually like Mustangs and I think they have their good points. Read my earlier post if you have any doubts. However, if you're going to toot the Mustang's horn, please don't fall into the two characteristic Mustang fanboy traps...
1) "Ford Mustang engines are the best in the world." They're really nothing special compared with other designs. They just have more aftermarket support.
2) "You think your car is fast? Saleen/ Steeda/ Kenny Brown/ my brother-in-law has a Mustang (with NO stock engine or suspension parts) that will walk away from it at the track." So what. If I replace absolutely eveything in my Protege with high-tech speed parts, it would be fast too, but comparing it with a stock version is meaningless. And let's see that Super Mustang pass a REAL emissions test and navigate REAL city streets with no problems. Besides, it is still a Mustang with a cheap-*** interior and terrible ergonomics.
Have a nice day.
May-29th-2003, 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by alcoholiday
car forums are so fooking stupid.
i catch as much **** in mustangland for driving an import as i do in protegeland for driving a mustang.
it's ridiculous.
if i didn't see the beauty in each of them, i wouldn't own them.
car forums are so fooking stupid.
i catch as much **** in mustangland for driving an import as i do in protegeland for driving a mustang.
it's ridiculous.
if i didn't see the beauty in each of them, i wouldn't own them.
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May-29th-2003, 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by carguycw
1) Show me a Ford motor that can withstand as much boost as a Mazda BP in stock form.
1) Show me a Ford motor that can withstand as much boost as a Mazda BP in stock form.
May-29th-2003, 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by carguycw
1) Show me a Ford motor that can withstand as much boost as a Mazda BP in stock form.
2) If the 4.6L V-8 is so good, please explain why the GM LS-1 (yes, the one with PUSHRODS) in the 98-02 F-body puts out more power and torque and gets better gas mileage, yet weighs less and is physically smaller than the 4.6L.
1) Show me a Ford motor that can withstand as much boost as a Mazda BP in stock form.
2) If the 4.6L V-8 is so good, please explain why the GM LS-1 (yes, the one with PUSHRODS) in the 98-02 F-body puts out more power and torque and gets better gas mileage, yet weighs less and is physically smaller than the 4.6L.
And a stock 4.6L, 5.0L, or 5.8L can run a shitload of boost with extra fuel, the internals are very strong.
May-29th-2003, 02:33 PM
#66
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Originally posted by YellowMP5
nice ride. yet I still don't see how a protege is better than a mustang.
nice ride. yet I still don't see how a protege is better than a mustang.
May-29th-2003, 05:01 PM
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man this thread is gettin outta control. Since noone can seem to put forth any OBJECTIVE critisizm let's just end it with both cars being very good at what they were DESIGNED TO DO.
Besides, if it isn't a rotor, it isn't a motor Rotaries are just too cool.
Besides, if it isn't a rotor, it isn't a motor
Rotaries are just too cool.
May-29th-2003, 07:01 PM
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Originally posted by BarryG
It's not faster in straight line speed but aside from that it's beats the Mustang hands down (feel, handling, quality, responsiveness, braking, nimble). But if straight line speed is all that matters to you, the stang is better.
It's not faster in straight line speed but aside from that it's beats the Mustang hands down (feel, handling, quality, responsiveness, braking, nimble). But if straight line speed is all that matters to you, the stang is better.
i agree about quality, maybe responsiveness (steering?).
handling? mustang has a heavy v8 and rear wheel drive. how will a pro with v8 and rear wheel drive handle? does the cobra with IRS handle any worse?
i don't know about the brakes, does a protege stop sooner than a mustang? probably not, do you have any numbers?
nimble? ford festiva and geo metro are smaller and more nimble than a protege. does that make them a better car? I agree with Farsyde: "...both cars being very good at what they were DESIGNED TO DO."
BarryG, your mustang is SWEEEEEEEEEEEET.
I can't believe you didn't become a mustang fan.
May-29th-2003, 10:30 PM
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Ok, so now all we need to do is make a protestang or a mustege and then everyone can be happy!
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May-29th-2003, 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by aceraj
Ok, so now all we need to do is make a protestang or a mustege and then everyone can be happy!
Ok, so now all we need to do is make a protestang or a mustege and then everyone can be happy!
remember the "maztang" that ford named probe? what a piece of crap.
May-30th-2003, 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by YellowMP5
what is feel?
i agree about quality, maybe responsiveness (steering?).
handling? mustang has a heavy v8 and rear wheel drive. how will a pro with v8 and rear wheel drive handle? does the cobra with IRS handle any worse?
i don't know about the brakes, does a protege stop sooner than a mustang? probably not, do you have any numbers?
nimble? ford festiva and geo metro are smaller and more nimble than a protege. does that make them a better car? I agree with Farsyde: "...both cars being very good at what they were DESIGNED TO DO."
BarryG, your mustang is SWEEEEEEEEEEEET.
I can't believe you didn't become a mustang fan.
what is feel?
i agree about quality, maybe responsiveness (steering?).
handling? mustang has a heavy v8 and rear wheel drive. how will a pro with v8 and rear wheel drive handle? does the cobra with IRS handle any worse?
i don't know about the brakes, does a protege stop sooner than a mustang? probably not, do you have any numbers?
nimble? ford festiva and geo metro are smaller and more nimble than a protege. does that make them a better car? I agree with Farsyde: "...both cars being very good at what they were DESIGNED TO DO."
BarryG, your mustang is SWEEEEEEEEEEEET.
I can't believe you didn't become a mustang fan.
All I can tell you is this: When i drove around the 'stang for a few hours........I was very happy to get out of the car. It was just a very crude, rough, and unpolished experience. The brute power of the car was nice as was the looks but that got old after awhile. It was OK for a weekend cruiser but not an everyday car and I'd rather just maintain one car instead of 2. 2 cars became a pain financially.
The Protege is just a much easier car to live with and much easier to toss around and have fun in in my opinion aside from lacking the straight line punch that the stang had over it. I used to think power was everything but I don't anymore. The Protege is a better comprise to me than the Stang was. The 'Stang was a very one dimensional car. And it's nice getting over 17mpg now.
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May-30th-2003, 11:57 AM
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i basically agree with all of that. if my mustang *was* anything more than a weekend cruiser, i couldn't handle it. luckily it is.
i'm looking into new disc brakes for it b/c yes, the brakes do suck, but given the relative rarity of mine, i'm hesitant. unmolested fox bodies are becoming scarce. mind you, brakes isn't some horrible, car-destroying mod.
i'm looking into new disc brakes for it b/c yes, the brakes do suck, but given the relative rarity of mine, i'm hesitant. unmolested fox bodies are becoming scarce. mind you, brakes isn't some horrible, car-destroying mod.
Originally posted by BarryG
My Mustang was sweet. It's sold. And beauty is only skin deep. And you don't need numbers to know crappy brakes when you feel them. The mustang's brakes SUCKED. A car with that kind of power with rear drums?? That's what was standard on all the fox bodies.
All I can tell you is this: When i drove around the 'stang for a few hours........I was very happy to get out of the car. It was just a very crude, rough, and unpolished experience. The brute power of the car was nice as was the looks but that got old after awhile. It was OK for a weekend cruiser but not an everyday car and I'd rather just maintain one car instead of 2. 2 cars became a pain financially.
The Protege is just a much easier car to live with and much easier to toss around and have fun in in my opinion aside from lacking the straight line punch that the stang had over it. I used to think power was everything but I don't anymore. The Protege is a better comprise to me than the Stang was. The 'Stang was a very one dimensional car. And it's nice getting over 17mpg now.
My Mustang was sweet. It's sold. And beauty is only skin deep. And you don't need numbers to know crappy brakes when you feel them. The mustang's brakes SUCKED. A car with that kind of power with rear drums?? That's what was standard on all the fox bodies.
All I can tell you is this: When i drove around the 'stang for a few hours........I was very happy to get out of the car. It was just a very crude, rough, and unpolished experience. The brute power of the car was nice as was the looks but that got old after awhile. It was OK for a weekend cruiser but not an everyday car and I'd rather just maintain one car instead of 2. 2 cars became a pain financially.
The Protege is just a much easier car to live with and much easier to toss around and have fun in in my opinion aside from lacking the straight line punch that the stang had over it. I used to think power was everything but I don't anymore. The Protege is a better comprise to me than the Stang was. The 'Stang was a very one dimensional car. And it's nice getting over 17mpg now.
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May-31st-2003, 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by BarryG
All I can tell you is this: When i drove around the 'stang for a few hours........I was very happy to get out of the car. It was just a very crude, rough, and unpolished experience.
All I can tell you is this: When i drove around the 'stang for a few hours........I was very happy to get out of the car. It was just a very crude, rough, and unpolished experience.
I drove mine for more than 4 years after its been in at least 4 accidents and i am not talking about fender benders. I never once felt the way you described above. Never. It is only a 4 cylinder but when I got into it, all my troubles faded away. About the brakes they put drums on a 2002 accord. thats 2002 not 1993.