Car of the Year.....Mazda6!!!!
December-29th-2002, 08:34 PM
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Some facts for Sweetypie......
1) The Mazda6 is not a Ford and the engine is not a Ford. Mazda started the design process with a duratech engine block. This is a not a moving part, simply a casted metal piece. The rest of the engine was designed by Mazda, in Japan, using Japanese parts. The Heads, Cams, and Vavletrain are Mazda not Ford. The engine is assembled by Mazda not Ford. There is NO FORD HANDS ON THE MOTOR.
2) I have driven all of the Mazda6 models along with the 03 Accord, Camry, and Altima. I drove these cars very hard and got a good feel for all of them.
3) The Accord does not compare to the Mazda6, the 6 is a superior car. Acceleration was about even, handling, ride quality, braking, and everything else was all 6. It wasn't even close. The Camry is a POS. The Altima goes like snot and looks decent, but the rest of the car doesn't stack up.
4) You are entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion you sound like a brainwashed Honda fan who has a closed mind and believes all the BS the Honda salesman sling.
5) Why has almost every expert who has driven the 6 worldwide said it is the new benchmark in its class? Probably because it is. The Accord is good car, the 6 is a better car, especially if you like sportiness.
6) The reason no one gave your opinion any respect is because you started in with the Ford BS, right off the bat we knew you hadn't done your homework and had no cluewhatyou were talking about.
Now back to your regularily scheduled programming
2) I have driven all of the Mazda6 models along with the 03 Accord, Camry, and Altima. I drove these cars very hard and got a good feel for all of them.
3) The Accord does not compare to the Mazda6, the 6 is a superior car. Acceleration was about even, handling, ride quality, braking, and everything else was all 6. It wasn't even close. The Camry is a POS. The Altima goes like snot and looks decent, but the rest of the car doesn't stack up.
4) You are entitled to your opinion, but in my opinion you sound like a brainwashed Honda fan who has a closed mind and believes all the BS the Honda salesman sling.
5) Why has almost every expert who has driven the 6 worldwide said it is the new benchmark in its class? Probably because it is. The Accord is good car, the 6 is a better car, especially if you like sportiness.
6) The reason no one gave your opinion any respect is because you started in with the Ford BS, right off the bat we knew you hadn't done your homework and had no cluewhatyou were talking about.
Now back to your regularily scheduled programming
December-29th-2002, 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by NegatiZE
Kincaid...LOL...but you better watch out before some people get mad about that pic!
Kincaid...LOL...but you better watch out before some people get mad about that pic!
If someone wants to say something say it to me and I'll apply that pic to them.
I've had the **** beat outta me in a massive accident and underwent 2 months of intense therapy. And had to learn to walk again on a broken pelvis. Learn to type, play guitar, swallow, breath, go to the bathroom. Hell everything. Throw anything aside from a school bus at me and hell I can take it.
Oh and I managed to do in 2 what Doctor Marroon said would take 6 months. So eat that. Jeez lol I'm making myself tired.
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December-30th-2002, 08:20 AM
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All those statements about the 6 are great, but you still haven't sited any sources for you information. As long as I say things that you agree with then everything is fine. But as soon as someone states otherwise, you can't deal. I believe the 6 is built in Flatrock, MI. Is that correct?
And even though an engine block is not a moving part, parts do move through it and it must be as good as those parts. Otherwise, you could build and engine block out of plastic, eh?
Don't make assumptions about me. Hondas are quality vehicles and so are Mazdas. I can read consumer reports. I am a fan of quality. It would appear by the cars that I drive, I am a Mazda fan. And the fact that I would consider the competition indicates that I am open minded. It would have to be you who is narrow minded to be incapable of having an intelligent conversation about Mazdas and Hondas and Nissans etc.
Find the thread where someone mentions that they own several Mazdas and a Subaru. Yeah, he purchased a Subaru just b/c Mazda didn't build something comparable in AWD. Nobody gave him ****. I wouldn't give him **** b/c he is open minded and not afraid to admit that he went somewhere else to get what he wanted or needed. It doesn't make him any less of a fan of the Mazda cars he does own.
I respond out of amusement not because I think I could convince any of you to be big enough to discuss the first statement I made in a reasonable conversational language. Everyone just has to find a group that is right for them. Your group is not right for me because you just argue and make criticisms about each others sources. I am smart enough to take any information I get with a grain of salt until I find definite evidence of verification. You guys have just committed what you said I did: You made statements that the engine is not a Ford, but you never revealed your sources. I was never given a reasonable chance.
Good day
And even though an engine block is not a moving part, parts do move through it and it must be as good as those parts. Otherwise, you could build and engine block out of plastic, eh?
Don't make assumptions about me. Hondas are quality vehicles and so are Mazdas. I can read consumer reports. I am a fan of quality. It would appear by the cars that I drive, I am a Mazda fan. And the fact that I would consider the competition indicates that I am open minded. It would have to be you who is narrow minded to be incapable of having an intelligent conversation about Mazdas and Hondas and Nissans etc.
Find the thread where someone mentions that they own several Mazdas and a Subaru. Yeah, he purchased a Subaru just b/c Mazda didn't build something comparable in AWD. Nobody gave him ****. I wouldn't give him **** b/c he is open minded and not afraid to admit that he went somewhere else to get what he wanted or needed. It doesn't make him any less of a fan of the Mazda cars he does own.
I respond out of amusement not because I think I could convince any of you to be big enough to discuss the first statement I made in a reasonable conversational language. Everyone just has to find a group that is right for them. Your group is not right for me because you just argue and make criticisms about each others sources. I am smart enough to take any information I get with a grain of salt until I find definite evidence of verification. You guys have just committed what you said I did: You made statements that the engine is not a Ford, but you never revealed your sources. I was never given a reasonable chance.
Good day
December-31st-2002, 11:18 AM
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Like Nissan's Altima, a five-speed manual transmission will be standard with both the Mazda-engineered 2.3-liter four-cylinder and the Ford-sourced 3.0-liter V6 (optional on the four is a four-speed auto; the V6 can be equipped with an available five-speed slushbox). Both engines feature Mazda's S-VT Sequential Valve Timing mechanism that continuously varies inlet cam timing and phasing.
This excerpt from http://www3.edmunds.com/reviews/prev...0/article.html
"Ford-sourced" still not as solid as I am sure you are looking for, but it supports why I said I would choose another model, or go with the 4 cylinder.
I'm still checking sources.
This excerpt from http://www3.edmunds.com/reviews/prev...0/article.html
"Ford-sourced" still not as solid as I am sure you are looking for, but it supports why I said I would choose another model, or go with the 4 cylinder.
I'm still checking sources.
December-31st-2002, 03:34 PM
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After four generations of maturation and development, and considerable help from Ford Motor Company, the zoom-zoom guys have really put a fine point on it this time.
Excerpt from
http://mazda.jbroadtests.com/6/2003/
Excerpt from
http://mazda.jbroadtests.com/6/2003/
January-1st-2003, 08:38 AM
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As an owner of a 03' Mazda6s, I would like to say that the Mazda 3.0 Duratec motor is great. I had the Ford version in an 00' Sable and it never gave me a problem. It's lack of problems in my Sable was one of the reasons I wanted a Mazda6s. Had Mazda spent the money to develope an all new block that would only see use in NA, the 6 would probably be a much lesser car.
Since I am also over on the Miata.net froums I remembered this post by Bob (bwob) Hall who is credited with the concept of the Miata and worked at Mazda for many years.
Quote:
Under Japanese law, if a company or individual holds 1/3rd plus one share of a firm's shares, that individual or company can assume control with the approval of the Board of Directors of the company being bought. Ford has been in control of Mazda for a few years now and it has not been the disaster the Fordaphobics would lead you to think it has.
Some of the most interesting - and important - programs the company has going (REnesis engine, RX-8, FE Series RX-7, Mazda 6 and upcoming Mazda 3) were developed under Ford's auspices or initiated by Ford People working at Mazda.
The alternative to Mazda not getting into bed with Ford would have entailed the company going the way of Studebaker and vanishing from the face of the Earth. Having the 'independence' to put yourself out of business all on your own is not worth the livelihoods of 30,000 dedicated people in Hiroshima as well as thousands other all over the globe. In this context the people who decry that Mazda's going into Ford control is/was one of the most terrible things to ever happen to Mazda are showing that they are nearly as selfish as they are moronic.
bwob
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Mark Fields, president of Mazda Motor, said this at the 2000 North American Auto Show:
"The savings we gain in sharing product development costs with Ford...get reinvested in suspension, braking and seat feel to make the Mazda different. Otherwise we end up with mediocrity."
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The 3.0 block in the 6 is also used in the 3L Jaguar engine with Jag designed heads (235 HP/ 216 ft/lbs).
One last quote, again from Bob Hall
"Is it possible that the degree of unbridled adulation for anything with an 'H' badge is inversely proportional to the amount of experience and understanding - dare I say knowledge - one has about automobiles?"
Jay Evans
03 Mazda6s
02 Miata
Since I am also over on the Miata.net froums I remembered this post by Bob (bwob) Hall who is credited with the concept of the Miata and worked at Mazda for many years.
Quote:
Under Japanese law, if a company or individual holds 1/3rd plus one share of a firm's shares, that individual or company can assume control with the approval of the Board of Directors of the company being bought. Ford has been in control of Mazda for a few years now and it has not been the disaster the Fordaphobics would lead you to think it has.
Some of the most interesting - and important - programs the company has going (REnesis engine, RX-8, FE Series RX-7, Mazda 6 and upcoming Mazda 3) were developed under Ford's auspices or initiated by Ford People working at Mazda.
The alternative to Mazda not getting into bed with Ford would have entailed the company going the way of Studebaker and vanishing from the face of the Earth. Having the 'independence' to put yourself out of business all on your own is not worth the livelihoods of 30,000 dedicated people in Hiroshima as well as thousands other all over the globe. In this context the people who decry that Mazda's going into Ford control is/was one of the most terrible things to ever happen to Mazda are showing that they are nearly as selfish as they are moronic.
bwob
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Fields, president of Mazda Motor, said this at the 2000 North American Auto Show:
"The savings we gain in sharing product development costs with Ford...get reinvested in suspension, braking and seat feel to make the Mazda different. Otherwise we end up with mediocrity."
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The 3.0 block in the 6 is also used in the 3L Jaguar engine with Jag designed heads (235 HP/ 216 ft/lbs).
One last quote, again from Bob Hall
"Is it possible that the degree of unbridled adulation for anything with an 'H' badge is inversely proportional to the amount of experience and understanding - dare I say knowledge - one has about automobiles?"
Jay Evans
03 Mazda6s
02 Miata
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January-1st-2003, 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by 90&00 Protege
Hopefully Mazda will grant us the AWD version when the wagon comes out in another year...otherwise it's a Subaru for us
breaking our string of eight Mazdas (four of which are still in the fleet).
Hopefully Mazda will grant us the AWD version when the wagon comes out in another year...otherwise it's a Subaru for us
breaking our string of eight Mazdas (four of which are still in the fleet).
i was very impressed with the way the car handled.
but i'm really hoping mazda comes out with some AWD options b/c i still think my protege is more aesthetically pleasing.
the mazda's look better. but damn that AWD was nice.
January-3rd-2003, 08:47 AM
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So we have Ford influence in the Mazda 6. Hmm. I think I did say that. I did not say it was bad for Ford to have influence in the car, just that I would feel more comfortable with the Accord, having no Ford influence. I understand that everbody is entitled to their opinion, I think, however, many of you insist on judging the opinion of others. Remember, an opinion cannot be proven right or wrong, only the facts supporting the opinion and I have supported those facts. I stated a preference and it pissed off some of you, or all of you. So adament about there not being Ford influence in the 6 that it would seem that many of you are in denial. Something that terribly wrong with Ford? Having owned several Fords, my experience has led me to play it safe and avoid Ford products for minor but annoying problems. Without question the 6 performs beautifully and was more impressive than I guessed and I went into the test drive with high expectations. An AWD will likely be some kind of beast. I'd like Mazda to enter that market. I would have my eye on an AWD Mazdaspeed Protege.
I would like to think that I could participate in this forum without being berated with insults and falsities. Sharing of information and expression of opinions can be beneficial. Why do you believe that? Why wouldn't you do this or buy that? Lets not condemn an opinion immediately. If you don't want me on the forum just say so.
One last thing, and yes I know it was someone's quote not on this forum, but I wouldn't just buy an auto because it has a Honda badge. We all know the Passport is an Isuzu. I won't give my opinion on Isuzus for fear of alienating someone who may have a different opinion.
I would like to think that I could participate in this forum without being berated with insults and falsities. Sharing of information and expression of opinions can be beneficial. Why do you believe that? Why wouldn't you do this or buy that? Lets not condemn an opinion immediately. If you don't want me on the forum just say so.
One last thing, and yes I know it was someone's quote not on this forum, but I wouldn't just buy an auto because it has a Honda badge. We all know the Passport is an Isuzu. I won't give my opinion on Isuzus for fear of alienating someone who may have a different opinion.
January-3rd-2003, 11:26 AM
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Hold on. Don't lump me in with that. I never held any opinion on the subject. I just came by in my walks through the new posts section of the site
You can like whatever you want to. This is the internet. Who gives a **** about someone else's opinion across the country? Not me
But yeah, supporting you, it's a fact of Ford's involvement in the 6's development. Do I work for Honda? no. Do I work for Mazda? no. Is anyone forcing me to get either? no. Therefore my two ***** will not be given
You can like whatever you want to. This is the internet. Who gives a **** about someone else's opinion across the country? Not me
But yeah, supporting you, it's a fact of Ford's involvement in the 6's development. Do I work for Honda? no. Do I work for Mazda? no. Is anyone forcing me to get either? no. Therefore my two ***** will not be given
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