B8 Turbo

Pigeon, am not quite sure what you mean by that?

Pigeon

"This Mazda site shouldnt even have a "racing" section"......"

"newsflash...all 4 cylinder cars are sleepers"

"It just seems all the more ridiculous to me to hear people street racing their proteges....but I guess I have to realize that people will race anything on the street, no matter how slow it is."

those comments seem kinda harsh.....
but i dont know if he meant to sound like that...

redrims

ANY car can be built to go fast Mach1. You should know that. My friends '87 GTI can beat basically any Mustang that comes up against him. Except for a Cobra though, but he'll give it a run for there money. He has about 250hp to the wheel in that tiny little 2dr hatch.

You really need to go to the track more and get up to date.

Imports are now hitting mid single digits in a 1/4 mile now. A record that I think was broken this year. At the track I usually go to, there are usually more little imports than muscle cars.

Mach 1

I didnt mean to sound harsh, offend anyone, or cut up anyones car. Im just stateing the obvious, proteges are economy cars, and slow cars. I know people can make them fast, but when you need a turbo to get into the 14s, thats not fast, and not economical(turbos are expensive and maintenance intensive).

I like the protege for what it is, and if someone wants to try to make it fast, I respect that.

But when I read lame *** stories in the street racing section, it is disapointing. Im just not used to reading about hondas and neons racing proteges, and im a bit surprised. No offense, but I have a V8 background, and when I talk about racing on the street, I think of 12 second mustangs and camaros.

I know the import guys like to street race also, but Im just getting used to the concept of worrying about the honda next to me. Its not a concern when your driving a moddified mustang.

Mach 1

If your freinds GTI is beating any mustang that comes up against him, he is racing slow, stock, or mustangs driven by poor drivers.

There are a LOT of VERY FAST mustangs on the road, but apparently he isnt running into those ones. Most "mature" guys with well built stangs wont even waste thier time racing a car like a GTI. Some kid with flowmasters, sure, and I dont doubt he can handle them fairly easily.

I am up to date and I know whats out there. I dont think you can really disagree with anything I have said?

Im not knocking proteges, just think its a bit silly to go racing in one, with the few exceptions of the well moddified ones out there, and there are very few of them.

B8 Turbo

Just to be on the neutral side, everybody's gotta right to express themselves. After all, you guys are livin' in the land of the free. Anyway, some ppl may express with different words to mean a certain thing, harsh or not harsh, and then others will have their own interpretation! Guys, these are very subjective. Mach 1, though not defending, would feel degraded from stang to protege and he's just expressing the difference he felt. Again, I'm not taking sides, but his feelings must be respected to a certain level. There is no crime in freedom of expression but sometimes we have to be conscious of other sensitive guys. Hmmm...guys have a sensitive side when talking about cars?!! Out in the tangent.

Last but not least, let's all make up and not continue with these bickering. Compromise ppl.....compromise. Don't let words ruin some discussion here in this forum. If those who want to continue to be a "*****", just leave them alone.

Finally and again not taking sides, Mach 1 has sorta apologize about his words and explained that he meant no harm. So let's all get off his back and carry on with some meaningful discussion.
Ok thank y'all for your attention.

Pigeon

yea, thats fine
he clarified it

i was just wondering if he was trying to be sarcastic or not
but he wasnt
its all good

i understand where hes coming from

i took my protege to the drag strip, but i mean, i was the 3rd slowest one there....
so he is right in that aspect....

but the area where a protege can shine for its light weight, and nimbleness is on an autocross course..
thats the kinda of racing that ive started to get into
and the proteges can hold their own

lots of people on this board participate in autocrosses

redrims

What? My friends GTI is fast as ****.(no rudeness meant) He doesn't even waste his time on STOCK Mustangs. He races against cars he know will give him a challenge. If he races a Mustang, I can guarantee you its not stock. I just threw Mustang in there as an example. I have yet to see him lose a street race, but he hasn't raced cars like Vipers yet, which I know he will be doing soon once he do more mods. Right now his car is NA and he said that he's still doing a lot more work.

YOU REALLY NEED TO MAKE PLANS TO GO TO A TRACK VERY SOON.
You have to see what typr have cars people are using now. I've even seen 13s Hyandai Accents.

BTW, I know a lot of civcs that can smoke your 12 second Mustang. I'm not sure what my friend 1/4 mile is in his GTI since he recently did more mods, but I'm guessing high 12s or low 13s.

Just to clear things up, the Mustang is my favorite muscle. I love them. This mechanic who worked right beside my friends shop has a Mustang the runs 9secs.

Mach 1

An naturally aspirated VW GTI that runs high 12's in the quarter mile? Has this actually been proven or are u speculating?

And the mustangs Im referring to will easily beat a high 12 secong car on the street, so your obviously referring to "mildly modifed" ones. A extremly mildly modified stang can run high 13;s easy.

How exactly can you guarantee that he doesnt race stock mustangs? Does he do a red light "pre-race" check out of the car? Hmm.....

stocker

I personally wish people would stop confusing "racing" with dragging. Sure its silly to drag a stock or mildly modded protege. A friend of mine at work "races" his civic. This guy spent 5000 (total) canadian on a 97 civic, engine and suspension upgrades, then goes to the track and routinely hands beamers, rx-7s celica's etc their ***. He races. The guy knows how to drive, period.

Hell give me a chev celebrity, a peice of string and a brick and I will beat 90 percent of the proteges on this board without even being in the car.

But like any small import you can turn a protege into a pretty nice little autox or track car for not alot of money. Plus the thrills last longer on the track. I personally don't like to live my life a 1/4 mile at a time. It's boring.
(mandatory F&F quote)


Stocker.

redrims

Okay MACH1. I done stating my side. If you don't believe imports can be fast thats you. I just wish that you had your mustang and see yourself get burnt by a Civic or something.


LIKE I KEEP SAYING, JUST GO TO THE TRACK AND SEE FOR YOURSELF. STOP LIVING IN THE MUSCLE CAR ERA. ITS BEEN OVER FOR LIKE 30yrs. Matter of fact I'll try and get a video for you.

B8 Turbo

Autox is for small and short cars. Short cars like hatchbacks and coupe. I was beaten several times by a Mirage coupe in the same class cuz I was driving an Integra GS sedan (heavier with 4 doors) back in the mid 90s. I don't like drag cuz it breaks a lot of trannys and axles! Autox or road race has more thrill and skill involved i.e. shifting, driving line, braking, apex, etc.

B8 Turbo

Redrims.....cool it man! We don't wanna create enemies here in this forum.

redrims

I wasn't tryin to create enemies, I was just saying that I was tired of arguing over this stupid thing. He has his opinions, I have mines and I can't change that. Neither can he change mines.

I didn't realize I was coming off harsh.

But, when I first saw that picture it had me laughing. You can't say it's not funny.

Mach 1

Thats funny, I dont remember saying that import cars cant be fast. In fact, I never did say that. Are you really that clueless as to what we are even talking about?

Lol..your funny. Thats highly unlikely. How many civics do you know making over 300 hp N/A? Im not saying its not possible. You seem to be putting words into my mouth, and turning this debate into something other than what it started out as. Your cluless comments that continue verify my point...

Whos living in the muscle car era? what does the muscle car era even have to do with this converstaion at all? Nothing, thats what. Why dont you pull your head out.... I have probably spent more time at the track than you have. I used to race my car at the track. Have you?

Nobodys denying that the import scene is very popular and there are some fast imports. I dont know where you think I said that, because I never did. If you dont think mustangs in general are superior street racers than imports, which is what I believe I made some reference to (without reading this entire thread to even know how your tangent started), than you are really more clueless than I thought.