Kopp0041

Can someone post a pic of the correct way the bar should be on?

Installshield

I thought this was correct...its a 21.5mm bar from AWR (it is Negatize's car by the way)...
I have a bunch of suspension pics on my PC but I am at school in a lab. I will post more pics as soon as I get to my place...

SedanMan

Don't these things come with instruction manuals?

From what og sk8er wrote, it seems both Pollax and Negatize have instaled their bars upside down.

ANyone know for sure?

99protege

i'm wondering why the awr(s) are so popular? it would seem that the racing beat/mp3 bar would be better, being that it is shorter and points straight down so that interference would not be an issue.



i just installed my eibachs and tokicos yesterday and man-oh-man, what a difference. the stock susp. on my 99 was not as stiff as the 01-03's, so the difference is huge. it feels like it's on rails now compared to stock. i was going to get the mp3 rear sway bar, but i'm wondering if it's still worth it? cornering is surprisingly flat now without it, though i haven't autoxed it yet, which i plan to do. any opinions?

og sk8er

I talked w/Tony @ AWR Racing and he is going to fax me instructions tomorrow. I will scan and post when I receive.

Thank's,

Patrick

SedanMan

The reason is that you need a whole new rear subframe for the MP3 rear sway bar. The AWR fits right away without this problem.

Also, the MP3 bar is what is reported to be causing the clunk that MP3 and MSP owners are complaining about.

MackDaddy

That would be much appreciated, Patrick.

TIA - Jim

99protege

ahh, i see. i'm glad i asked. they don't mention that on the racing beat web site. thanks for the info...

pollax

I don't have any instruction so I can't tell you definitively hich way the bar goes on but I can tell you that the way that I have it mounted is the only way that it would fit without clearance problems. I have tried to mount the bar the way you suggested and it was a no go. There is not enough clearance between the lateral links and the bar.

pollax

When you lower the car, the end link mounting points stay the same relative to the ground. The swaybar mounting points on the the other hand is lowered too since it is mounted to the chasis. The end links themselves are obviously the same length. To mount the swaybar to the end links, you need to swing the bar up and this causes some clearance problems with the lateral links. Unless of course I have the bar mounted upside down like og sk8er suggested, this of course could change the game completely.

By the way, adjusting the end links does not change the stiffness at all.

kenchan

pollax-thanx for the info. upside down or not, as long as it
goes on and works as it should, i really dont care. ill see
for myself in a few days when mine arrives.

yes, please post picts of the instructions when you get them.
that would be great.

pollax

I found a picture of the DG motorsports P5 with the AWR 21mm bar installed and it seems like the bar is installed the same way Negatize and I have. Unless of course the installation of the 19mm bar is different than the 21mm.



This pic was found on AWR's website.

kenchan

patrick- we can use the factory endlinks, correct? (I have a
pro5).

MackDaddy

Yes, you can re-use the OE factory endlinks if the vehicle is not lowered. Mine is not lowered, and plan on doing this.

Nice find on the pic, Pollax. Looks like your mounting is correct!

og sk8er

This is correct. The 19mm installs differently.
The 21.5mm goes under the trailing arm, where as the 19mm goes over the trailing arm.

Thank's

Patrick

**Edit** Sorry for the typo