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April-4th-2002, 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
Ok, lets try this ONE more time...
WRX comes in different trim levels....WRX, WRX STi, and WRX STi RA edition, Type R.
The EVO comes in trim levels too.....GSR, RS...
WRX = ______ (nothing)
WRX STi = GSR (the powerful engines, 260+)
WRX STi RA = RS (stripped for racing)
You are arguing that the EVO compares directly to the current WRX, which is retarded, as we've already discussed. The WRX we have right now is just a detuned version to get people's reaction to AWD turbo platforms.
The EVO GSR is the DIRECT competitor with the WRX Sti edition thats coming to the US in the next 18 months. They BOTH have 250+ hp, and all the nifty little gadgets. They will both have very similar price tags as well.
The RS and STi RA models are also direct competitors, with them being about as close to the REAL rally car as you can get from the factory. Totally stripped down.
They are both APPLES, one green and one red. The current WRX is like a grape or something, but DIFFERENT.
Personally, id rather have ANY WRX over the EVO, because i happen to be a fan of Subaru, and the WRX. I LIKE the way it looks, and i think the new EVO looks like a civic, but thats MY OPINION.
This is my OPINION, and I CAN back it up with fact. I am now finished.
Ok, lets try this ONE more time...
WRX comes in different trim levels....WRX, WRX STi, and WRX STi RA edition, Type R.
The EVO comes in trim levels too.....GSR, RS...
WRX = ______ (nothing)
WRX STi = GSR (the powerful engines, 260+)
WRX STi RA = RS (stripped for racing)
You are arguing that the EVO compares directly to the current WRX, which is retarded, as we've already discussed. The WRX we have right now is just a detuned version to get people's reaction to AWD turbo platforms.
The EVO GSR is the DIRECT competitor with the WRX Sti edition thats coming to the US in the next 18 months. They BOTH have 250+ hp, and all the nifty little gadgets. They will both have very similar price tags as well.
The RS and STi RA models are also direct competitors, with them being about as close to the REAL rally car as you can get from the factory. Totally stripped down.
They are both APPLES, one green and one red. The current WRX is like a grape or something, but DIFFERENT.
Personally, id rather have ANY WRX over the EVO, because i happen to be a fan of Subaru, and the WRX. I LIKE the way it looks, and i think the new EVO looks like a civic, but thats MY OPINION.
This is my OPINION, and I CAN back it up with fact. I am now finished.
What is the Evo Tommi Makinen Edition comparable too?
I still don't get why a Sti modified car is comparable to a plain jane evo. I think if mitsubishi partnered with RallyArt and made it Evo GSR RallyArt it would be more comparable. Or even comparing the Tommi Makinen Edition. So until Mitsubishi comes out with a comparable model I don't think the above is a valid argument. See the link below
But I agree with mopho, it all depends on taste. What part of Japan did you live in mopho? I was in southern Japan, Kyushu.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...E13232,00.html
April-5th-2002, 09:22 PM
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I was not talking about race cars but I agree it is hard to keep your butt on the seat in certain kinds of leather. And a note on the Ferrari vs. Elise thing. I did not watch the video but one time on ole highway 59 here in greater Houston I had a hell of a time racing a 360 and an S2000 through traffic. And guess what? I was whooping some butt. Guess what else? I was driving a 2.3L Ranger. Of course, the Ferrari left both our asses in the dust when the traffic finally smoothed a bit. It is an amazing thing watching one of those move away. It made the S2000 look like it was sitting still. And as for the Mazdaspeed part of the post:
They could have at least put some leather trim on the seats!
PS: You would be amazed at some of the speeds you can achieve on public roads (if you have a total disregard for the safety of others).
They could have at least put some leather trim on the seats!
PS: You would be amazed at some of the speeds you can achieve on public roads (if you have a total disregard for the safety of others).
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April-5th-2002, 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by YANGU23
What is the Evo Tommi Makinen Edition comparable too?
I still don't get why a Sti modified car is comparable to a plain jane evo. I think if mitsubishi partnered with RallyArt and made it Evo GSR RallyArt it would be more comparable. Or even comparing the Tommi Makinen Edition. So until Mitsubishi comes out with a comparable model I don't think the above is a valid argument. See the link below
But I agree with mopho, it all depends on taste. What part of Japan did you live in mopho? I was in southern Japan, Kyushu.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...E13232,00.html
What is the Evo Tommi Makinen Edition comparable too?
I still don't get why a Sti modified car is comparable to a plain jane evo. I think if mitsubishi partnered with RallyArt and made it Evo GSR RallyArt it would be more comparable. Or even comparing the Tommi Makinen Edition. So until Mitsubishi comes out with a comparable model I don't think the above is a valid argument. See the link below
But I agree with mopho, it all depends on taste. What part of Japan did you live in mopho? I was in southern Japan, Kyushu.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...E13232,00.html
Because, in order to get a WRX with the same go fast goodies as the standard Evo you need to get the STI version of the WRX. The WRX is basically an Imprezza with a turbo. The STI Adds a bigger tubo and intercooler, water sprayer on the intercooler, variable timing camshafts, stronger con rods, bigger Brembo brakes and wheels, stiffer suspension bigger anti roll bars, six speed gear box, STI seats, Etc. I would not be surprised if it is more than 280hp, the one I drove was a rocket and I had two other people in the car, I nearly **** myself, of course I was on the "other " side of the road
Ralliart does have a modified Evo, It is called the RS Sprint, it has a HKS cold air induction, more boost,stronger con rods, has been stripped of all unnecessary ammenities( i.e. Power windows, air, etc.) close ratio gearbox and more aggressive differentials--320hp
the Tommi Makinen is an Evo 6 RS painted to look like Tommi's race car and I think it is a bit lighter.
I didn't live there, my girlfriend is Japanese, so we go there to visit the family- Nishinomia/ Osaka area
How long where you there? What were you doing?
April-8th-2002, 03:55 AM
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Quote: What is the Evo Tommi Makinen Edition comparable too?
Thats is the Evo 6.5 if Im correct. The Evo 7 is a completly different chassie etc. From what Ive heard the Evo 7 is **** compared to the prevous Evo's.
Thats is the Evo 6.5 if Im correct. The Evo 7 is a completly different chassie etc. From what Ive heard the Evo 7 is **** compared to the prevous Evo's.
April-8th-2002, 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by eeterp
I too was surprized at the claim that the ms pro beat the wrx on a road course. Maybe they meant 2.5RS???
How can you call the ms pro a waste of money? Reread the list of goodies mazda is throwing in that car (I could do w/o all the stereo stuff) and you can see it's a decent price in the low 20s. The Focus SVT is a ford and the SpecV gearing isn't great. The wrx is about $24-25K.
People beg for more power and when they get it, they still aren't happy. Two words: Boost Controller.
I too was surprized at the claim that the ms pro beat the wrx on a road course. Maybe they meant 2.5RS???
How can you call the ms pro a waste of money? Reread the list of goodies mazda is throwing in that car (I could do w/o all the stereo stuff) and you can see it's a decent price in the low 20s. The Focus SVT is a ford and the SpecV gearing isn't great. The wrx is about $24-25K.
People beg for more power and when they get it, they still aren't happy. Two words: Boost Controller.
April-8th-2002, 07:09 PM
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They must not drive too many cars at wherever they wrote that review. If I recall correctly the Porsche Boxster S was the fastest car through the slalom that Autoweek ever tested. I find a 200+ HP midengined vehicle a little more capable of that than a 140 HP front wheel drive vehicle (even though the Porsche is hampered by the roadster configuration). Yes it is nice to be able to exit a turn faster but the WRX has such amazing straight line speed (for a 23k+ car that is not made by Ford or GM) and good handling to boot (I don't know why everyone knocks the handling, it handled very well for an AWD vehicle) should be able to rip that car to bits.
April-8th-2002, 08:12 PM
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the Boxster S is an amazing machine, but its not meant to be to be the slalom king. 200+ hp doesnt help when trying to modulate throttle precisely. Not to mention the Porsche is much wider, and hence has to move around more to get through the slalom.
It beat both, by the way, with a speed almost 69 MPH. And we're talking about 140 HP vs. 400+.
April-8th-2002, 11:03 PM
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Ok. I did some hunting. I looked at both "Road and Track" and "Car and Driver." I did not find a single article mentioning slalom speeds for an MP3. I did find this though:
The MP3 was the only car to take more than eight seconds to reach 60 mph (8.3) and was also the slowest through the quarter-mile—16.5 seconds at 84 mph—and to 100 mph, in 25.3 seconds.
That is quoted verbatim from "Car and Driver." Just do a little search on their website for MP3. They did like the handling though when compared to the Neon R/T (piece of crap), Sentra SE-R (a pre-production version), Impreza 2.5RS, and a Volkswagen Jetta GLS 1.8T. Out of that batch I would have given it a first place award too. I also looked up some slalom times from Autoweek:
Porsche 911 Turbo - 48.1MPH (the actual king. I made a mistake)
Porsche Boxster S - 46.0MPH
Impreza WRX - 46.0MPH
Corvette Z06 - 46.0MPH (385HP(?) not 405HP)
Autoweek does 490ft slaloms, with the same driver, and they do them hard (they tipped a Liberty during one of their tests). Maybe if they tested with different drivers and gave them more time to get used to the car then these would increase. They only make a couple of practice runs before they start going for real. Point being that it must have been a really long slalom for a car that takes 8.3 seconds to hit 60 to be able to get to 69MPH. The Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 both hit 60 in around 4 seconds. The Boxster S and Impreza both hit 60 in less than 6. I like the MP3 but it is no Corvette (or Porsche or Subaru).
BTW... Mopho, what model Ferrari is that photo of? The front end is playing tricks on me.
The MP3 was the only car to take more than eight seconds to reach 60 mph (8.3) and was also the slowest through the quarter-mile—16.5 seconds at 84 mph—and to 100 mph, in 25.3 seconds.
That is quoted verbatim from "Car and Driver." Just do a little search on their website for MP3. They did like the handling though when compared to the Neon R/T (piece of crap), Sentra SE-R (a pre-production version), Impreza 2.5RS, and a Volkswagen Jetta GLS 1.8T. Out of that batch I would have given it a first place award too. I also looked up some slalom times from Autoweek:
Porsche 911 Turbo - 48.1MPH (the actual king. I made a mistake)
Porsche Boxster S - 46.0MPH
Impreza WRX - 46.0MPH
Corvette Z06 - 46.0MPH (385HP(?) not 405HP)
Autoweek does 490ft slaloms, with the same driver, and they do them hard (they tipped a Liberty during one of their tests). Maybe if they tested with different drivers and gave them more time to get used to the car then these would increase. They only make a couple of practice runs before they start going for real. Point being that it must have been a really long slalom for a car that takes 8.3 seconds to hit 60 to be able to get to 69MPH. The Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 both hit 60 in around 4 seconds. The Boxster S and Impreza both hit 60 in less than 6. I like the MP3 but it is no Corvette (or Porsche or Subaru).
BTW... Mopho, what model Ferrari is that photo of? The front end is playing tricks on me.
April-8th-2002, 11:13 PM
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Cool. The 288 was my guess but I have never seen the grill look like that before. Awesome car. I think you should try one of the newer 360 or 550 versions before you condemn Ferrari's as boring.
April-8th-2002, 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by kc5zom
Cool. The 288 was my guess but I have never seen the grill look like that before. Awesome car. I think you should try one of the newer 360 or 550 versions before you condemn Ferrari's as boring.
Cool. The 288 was my guess but I have never seen the grill look like that before. Awesome car. I think you should try one of the newer 360 or 550 versions before you condemn Ferrari's as boring.
April-9th-2002, 12:27 AM
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kc5zom, this is what I think they do
They set the car at a certain speed and then enter the slalom at that speed. After the car spins out at a certain speed, they enter the previous speed as the slalom speed. I read the article too that had MP3 outperforming the Corvette Z06 and a Ferrari (forgot which one) in the slalom test. Not by a lot, but still that's impressive. It came in #1 as far as I remember in the test that put it up against the Neon R/T and the Spec V among others
They set the car at a certain speed and then enter the slalom at that speed. After the car spins out at a certain speed, they enter the previous speed as the slalom speed. I read the article too that had MP3 outperforming the Corvette Z06 and a Ferrari (forgot which one) in the slalom test. Not by a lot, but still that's impressive. It came in #1 as far as I remember in the test that put it up against the Neon R/T and the Spec V among others