Roddimus Prime

The downshifting problem is news to me. The only thing I can think of is that since the unit is internally belt driven the belt may experience extreme stress from hard downshifting. The pulley is just spinning idley by at cruising speed (blower is off) and then you instantly rev it up hard and throw a load on it....that could cause this type of damage. I do know that GATES makes a full kevlar belt upgrade that is supposedly indestructable. The real die-hard racers use this.

I have a friend with this powerdyne charger on his 308cid mustang with about 500whp and he has had no problems with it at all. I will ask him to see if he's upgraded the belt or not. If so, this upgrade is only about $150 and I'm sure I could do it for anyone who is skeptical about the belt strength. I don't honestly see this as being a problem though.

milmoejoe

Also I see you looked into ATI and eaton's products but is there a possiblity of the vortech being able to be used?

Roddimus Prime

ATI is PROCHARGER....ati is the company and the procharger is what they produce. They have a SUPERIOR product in all respects however they are unwilling to even negotiate pricing with me and will force me to charge so much for the kit it wouldn't be worth it.

Powerdyne is a VERY SIMILAR product, both internally stepped up, both self contained, both somewhat small in size both produce massive cfms at low boost. etc...

Vortech is an o.k. blower but they are about 30% more expensive than the powerdynes and not self contained. You would be required to tap into your oil pan and run coolant lines and such....too much of a hassle for the common person who is buyign this kit as a low cost bang-for-buck upgrade. Most people won't have the welders and skill needed to safely and properly tap their pans.

I want something requires almost no modification and can be done by the average guy with tools in their driveway.

Roddimus Prime

Wanted to give this thread a big fat BUMP and a sticky because apparently Ken at ProtegeGarage (my chosen distributor for the kit) has decided this is a dead project. Ken hasn't even spoken with me about this to find out where I was.

The kit is still in the works and I'm really hoping to have it up and running by the end of the year. Finances are just real tight right now and since I'm having to buy everything out of pocket with no support from anyone it's taking a little longer than expected.

My first choice of supercharger manufacturer fell through but I found an almost equal blower in the powerdyne. It's still self contained, makes no noise, requires no maintaince (30K miles needs a belt replaced) can boost up to 9psi (with forged internals and EMS) and makes plenty of power! It's a great blower and it's lower price point will allow me to sell the kit in the $2500 range.

If anyone has any questions about the supercharger project maybe it's a good idea to ask the guy who's building it.

Racing Beat

Hey Matt, check this out...
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1497005
installed on a 2.0 8v ABA VW motor....

Roddimus Prime

what the hell is that?!?! that is the strangest looking blower I've ever seen.

Racing Beat

Check 'em out, the company name is Bahn Brenner, VW/Audi tuner that has specialized in SC'ong dubs for awhile...I believe its a small roots blower, it shares motor oil, so its not contained, but the price for their whole kit is inline with what you're striving for.

Racing Beat

http://www.bahnbrenner.com/bbmservic...ompressor.html

here you go

Roddimus Prime

it looks way huge. it's also not intercooled.

Racing Beat

the original G60 was intercooled, Im sure and IC could be added, the TB on an ABA motor is on the left so the discharge is on the left as well, from there you could duct into and IC then back up to the right into our TB....hey its another idea...althought eh output of 12psi would shatter our rods....

Roddimus Prime

it does look like a good solide design but I'm not sure if I want to scrape everything I've done on the kit so far. I have hit no snags so far (other than financially) and I would hate to jinx it by looking into something else right now.

If my design falls through I'll surely give them a more thorough look-see.

Matty Mooling

I'd be more interested in this project if the AC didn't have to be removed. Removing the AC on my daily driver just isn't an option. Oh well

THEGOLDPRO

now im not real familier with the strenth of the 2.0, but what is a safe psi to run on these cars, for turbo, or charger??? cause im sure you could push 10 psi threw it with no real problems.

Racing Beat

From what I've read here, our rods are weak and the common theme seems to be 6-10psi max on the stock crap....please correct me if I am wrong.
I dont mind no AC (its 115 with the heat index today and my AC is still not hooked up) the PS I want to keep though, unless we can source a quick ratio manual rack?
Matt, besides figiuring stuff out what all have you gotten done on the SC project? have you gotten to the point of fabing up brackets and so forth? I though you hadn't found the SC to use yet due to lack of manufacturers involvment?

Roddimus Prime

Matt03, would you rather do without power steering? If so I can accomodate you as well. I just HAVE to mount the blower in that location. I was relocating the powersteering pump to the ac location.

GoldPro, psi has nothing to do with airflow...you'd have to know sveral different variables to make an estimate for instance...I could run 16psi on a mitsubishi super16 turbo (very small) but only 8psi on a T3 (much larger). You need to look at CFM rates. For instance the blower I'm looking at is HUGE (airflow wise) so I'd only run about 5psi yet it would still yield the same power numbers as a T-25 (msp) running 12psi.