2.0L Supercharger
May-19th-2004, 03:42 PM
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2.0L Supercharger
THIS PROJECT IS NOT DEAD!!!
Hey Roddimus (aka, Bowler) tell us more about the Supercharger here.. since the other forum killed your account over there.
There are still people interested in the supercharger, so I thought we could continue the conversation here.
Hey Roddimus (aka, Bowler) tell us more about the Supercharger here.. since the other forum killed your account over there.
There are still people interested in the supercharger, so I thought we could continue the conversation here.
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May-19th-2004, 06:32 PM
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what supercharger? what?
May-19th-2004, 06:44 PM
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yup yup...I would like to go into some greater detail. This may help clear up some issues for some people.
I guess I should start with a description of what I hope to accomplish first and that will make other details obvious later on.
I want to create a supercharger kit for the 2.0L Protege that is BOLT ON, INTERCOOLED, RELIABLE, REQUIRES NO OTHER UPGRADES, WILL NOT BLOW THE MOTOR!!!
I would honestly like to see 200whp for $2500. That being said.
Eaton was my first supercharger source. After speaking with their R&D department at Magnusson Products (only eaton re-seller) they basically mentioned the MP62 fouth generation blower was the way to go for a roots style blower. It was a very large blower for the application and would produce more power than the motor will handle but they felt that having the flexibility of raising the power if the user wanted to was better than maxing out a smaller blower. An MP62 is actually a little cheaper than a MP45. However, neither will be used in this project. After talking numbers with the guy the best price they were willing to give me on the superchargers was $1200. For reference I can buy T3/T4 turbo's all day long for less than $370. In order for this kit to be possible cost will HAVE to be kept at a bare minimum while providing a great VALUE. I am in talks with ATI Prochargers now about their PS1C supercharger. It is their smallest blower and is a great unit. My main concern at this point becomes jack-shaft moutning. Some chargers do not like to be mounted and run off a jack-shaft (long tube running across the front of the motor). Once I get to speak with the people at ATI I'll update more with better details.
This CAN be done. It just takes someone with a lot of free time on their hands to get it done!
I know that everyone says this and it's often considered a joke, but I'm seriously thinking about starting a "supercharger design fund" if anyone is willing to donate a few bucks to help me really get into this. Another great way to help fund this project is to have me powdercoat something for you!! That's is my extra income and I can put it into R&D on this kit. If you want to see a supercharged P5 real soon then you should be sending me your stuff to be powdercoated right away!
I guess I should start with a description of what I hope to accomplish first and that will make other details obvious later on.
I want to create a supercharger kit for the 2.0L Protege that is BOLT ON, INTERCOOLED, RELIABLE, REQUIRES NO OTHER UPGRADES, WILL NOT BLOW THE MOTOR!!!
I would honestly like to see 200whp for $2500. That being said.
Eaton was my first supercharger source. After speaking with their R&D department at Magnusson Products (only eaton re-seller) they basically mentioned the MP62 fouth generation blower was the way to go for a roots style blower. It was a very large blower for the application and would produce more power than the motor will handle but they felt that having the flexibility of raising the power if the user wanted to was better than maxing out a smaller blower. An MP62 is actually a little cheaper than a MP45. However, neither will be used in this project. After talking numbers with the guy the best price they were willing to give me on the superchargers was $1200. For reference I can buy T3/T4 turbo's all day long for less than $370. In order for this kit to be possible cost will HAVE to be kept at a bare minimum while providing a great VALUE. I am in talks with ATI Prochargers now about their PS1C supercharger. It is their smallest blower and is a great unit. My main concern at this point becomes jack-shaft moutning. Some chargers do not like to be mounted and run off a jack-shaft (long tube running across the front of the motor). Once I get to speak with the people at ATI I'll update more with better details.
This CAN be done. It just takes someone with a lot of free time on their hands to get it done!
I know that everyone says this and it's often considered a joke, but I'm seriously thinking about starting a "supercharger design fund" if anyone is willing to donate a few bucks to help me really get into this. Another great way to help fund this project is to have me powdercoat something for you!! That's is my extra income and I can put it into R&D on this kit. If you want to see a supercharged P5 real soon then you should be sending me your stuff to be powdercoated right away!
May-19th-2004, 06:57 PM
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Roddimus: glad you made it on to (your) thread 
I figured I would start it up over here since it will now die over on the other forum and I hate to see the interest in this project die along with it. I'm still interested in following this supercharger conversation as I may be in the market down the road.
ps: I didn't realize you powder-coated. I'll keep that in mind!!
I figured I would start it up over here since it will now die over on the other forum and I hate to see the interest in this project die along with it. I'm still interested in following this supercharger conversation as I may be in the market down the road.ps: I didn't realize you powder-coated. I'll keep that in mind!!
May-19th-2004, 07:31 PM
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yeah, check the vendor section for my powderocating thread or you can go visit www.mullisbrothersracing.com for my new website. I'm trying to get the content filled out as aquickly as possible but it takes time with so many projects going on.
May-19th-2004, 08:05 PM
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hmmmm powdercoating, i need alot powdercoated, lol whats going rate on powdercoating?
May-19th-2004, 08:44 PM
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Very nice. =) I may either donate some cash after I get the new engine dropped into my RX7 to you, or if I can get a spare set of front calipers for my P5, I may have you powder coat a set of those, too. =) Dunno how much that would cost me, but we'll see what my finances look like at the middle of next month. I look foreward to hearing more about the development of this kit!
May-19th-2004, 08:54 PM
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I can go over powdercoating prices in my powdercoating thread or you can contact Chris @ my website and he'll be happy to get you guys squared away.
Thanks for the backing guys. With undertaking a project this size I'm going to need help and I'm not one to forget who helps me out. Once we get some preliminary things squared away I will get under way with this and hopefully can have it turned around and tested in under 6 months.
Thanks for the backing guys. With undertaking a project this size I'm going to need help and I'm not one to forget who helps me out. Once we get some preliminary things squared away I will get under way with this and hopefully can have it turned around and tested in under 6 months.
May-19th-2004, 10:18 PM
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i'm behind ya all the way!
May-19th-2004, 10:34 PM
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behind me financially?? I'm still in need of those fans!! Maybe that will be part of the kit.
May-20th-2004, 09:35 AM
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from roddimus prime:
I'm talking with different manufacturers but price is NOT going to be pretty. $1400 for an eaton and $2500 for an ATI....
MazdaMattyP5: that is JUST THE BLOWER, nothing else.
I'm talking with different manufacturers but price is NOT going to be pretty. $1400 for an eaton and $2500 for an ATI....
MazdaMattyP5: that is JUST THE BLOWER, nothing else.
May-20th-2004, 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by Roddimus Prime
behind me financially?? I'm still in need of those fans!! Maybe that will be part of the kit.
behind me financially?? I'm still in need of those fans!! Maybe that will be part of the kit.
i'd love to see a reasonably priced supercharger for our cars...and hey, everyone needs fans right?
May-20th-2004, 01:23 PM
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Let's define "reasonably priced" for a minute shall we?
I will be as open and honest with everyone as possible. My main goal for this kit was to provide a good boost in power for less than the price of a decent turbo kit. My price target is < $3000 for an intercooled version.
I feel that any supercharger should be intercooled as they tend to put out a little more heat than a similarly sized turbo. That being said, it is not easy finding a company who is willing to give up a discount on so few units. I mentioned selling appx. 20 kits in the $2800-3000 range. I think this is stretching it a bit as I have not seen much (if any) sincere dedication from anyone to buy one.
Another hurdle I'm having to jump is the fact that I will require a lot of testing to find out what works best and what will be a better investment for you guys. I can take a used buick supercharger and mock it up in about a week to work....but how well it will work and how long it will last is another story. If I'm going to put my name on something it's going to be something I believe in and something I'll stand behind. I want it to work and work well.
Cost is a hugh factor right now as the cheapest supercharger core I can get will cost $1400 and it will NOT be a pretty install. It will require re-wiring of several sensors (TB has to be moved and TPS will have to have extra length spliced in). I want a self-contained blower that requires no tapping of the oil pan. This, if done incorrectly, can cause bad problems and I'm not willing to take that risk when a customer goes to install it.
I could go on for hours but it all boils down to this:
How much is this worth to you guys who are serious about buying it? I know for a fact I can make it for $3800+ and it will be awesome. I'd expect just as much power from a turbo with a lot more room for growth. Most people would prefer to just go with a proven boosting method (turbo) but some people will always march to a different beat. Honestly, what do you guys think is a fair price for something like this....keeping in mind I will be spending months of my personal time to develop, test, build, tune and market this.
Any ideas?? Anyone have a hook-up at a blower company that can score me some $600-800 blowers??
I will be as open and honest with everyone as possible. My main goal for this kit was to provide a good boost in power for less than the price of a decent turbo kit. My price target is < $3000 for an intercooled version.
I feel that any supercharger should be intercooled as they tend to put out a little more heat than a similarly sized turbo. That being said, it is not easy finding a company who is willing to give up a discount on so few units. I mentioned selling appx. 20 kits in the $2800-3000 range. I think this is stretching it a bit as I have not seen much (if any) sincere dedication from anyone to buy one.
Another hurdle I'm having to jump is the fact that I will require a lot of testing to find out what works best and what will be a better investment for you guys. I can take a used buick supercharger and mock it up in about a week to work....but how well it will work and how long it will last is another story. If I'm going to put my name on something it's going to be something I believe in and something I'll stand behind. I want it to work and work well.
Cost is a hugh factor right now as the cheapest supercharger core I can get will cost $1400 and it will NOT be a pretty install. It will require re-wiring of several sensors (TB has to be moved and TPS will have to have extra length spliced in). I want a self-contained blower that requires no tapping of the oil pan. This, if done incorrectly, can cause bad problems and I'm not willing to take that risk when a customer goes to install it.
I could go on for hours but it all boils down to this:
How much is this worth to you guys who are serious about buying it? I know for a fact I can make it for $3800+ and it will be awesome. I'd expect just as much power from a turbo with a lot more room for growth. Most people would prefer to just go with a proven boosting method (turbo) but some people will always march to a different beat. Honestly, what do you guys think is a fair price for something like this....keeping in mind I will be spending months of my personal time to develop, test, build, tune and market this.
Any ideas?? Anyone have a hook-up at a blower company that can score me some $600-800 blowers??
May-20th-2004, 07:16 PM
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Roddimus ,this sounds very interesting ,a supercharger for the 2.0 engine , I could be interested in the future . .keep us informed .
May-20th-2004, 07:33 PM
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there's nothing to be updated until we hammer down a firm price point that I'll be able to work within. After that it's just a matter of seeing which company wants to play ball and sell some chargers.