Beat him in a corner.
April-13th-2002, 03:22 PM
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Beat him in a corner.
Today I was coming back from doing my economic's exam from school when this Mustang V8 rides onto my ***, tailgating me on my way home. I look back and see two teenagers younger than me with baseball caps turned backwards laughing and pointing at the Protege5. Their car wasn't riced, but they seemed like ricers. Being in a crappy mood because I didn't get any sleep, studying the entire night. I decided to try what my brother does all the time, drifting. It was rainy today so I thought I could manage a drift and I did.
Its more difficlut to do in a FWD car but with rain, and a Protege5 with some of that MP3 and Integra R character in it, its fairly easy.
So I speed up towards a long narrow 45 degree right bend, and he follows. I could have messed him up real bad by braking in the corner and causing him to brake hard, but didn't want to get into an collision. So as I approach at around at 3rd at around 3800rpm, I turned slightly into the corner, didn't even brake, and when midway through I downshifted to second, yanked the handbrake quickly but forcefully and kept on the gas immediatly afterwards to regain control by counter-steering and getting the revs up for exiting. At that time, the Protege shifted its front at a ~50 degree angle to the bend, while countersteering, with rear wheels losing grip. Then, I yanked the steering wheel back to a straight position, kinda abrupt though, still need practice. But the car drifted through the corner so nicely. It was my best throught many attempts through the same corner near my house. The Protege is simply amazing.
Afterwards I stopped at a red light and the Mustang pulled up and just stared over in bewilderment, without uttering a word.
Guess all that teaching from my brother in his Toyota AE86 paid off after all.
Please, I am not encouraging you guys to do it. It is freckin dangerous and you need alot of practice and seeing how people do it before you even attempt. Please don't try under anything like this unless you have adequate practice under safe conditions.
Its more difficlut to do in a FWD car but with rain, and a Protege5 with some of that MP3 and Integra R character in it, its fairly easy.
So I speed up towards a long narrow 45 degree right bend, and he follows. I could have messed him up real bad by braking in the corner and causing him to brake hard, but didn't want to get into an collision. So as I approach at around at 3rd at around 3800rpm, I turned slightly into the corner, didn't even brake, and when midway through I downshifted to second, yanked the handbrake quickly but forcefully and kept on the gas immediatly afterwards to regain control by counter-steering and getting the revs up for exiting. At that time, the Protege shifted its front at a ~50 degree angle to the bend, while countersteering, with rear wheels losing grip. Then, I yanked the steering wheel back to a straight position, kinda abrupt though, still need practice. But the car drifted through the corner so nicely. It was my best throught many attempts through the same corner near my house. The Protege is simply amazing.
Afterwards I stopped at a red light and the Mustang pulled up and just stared over in bewilderment, without uttering a word.
Guess all that teaching from my brother in his Toyota AE86 paid off after all.
Please, I am not encouraging you guys to do it. It is freckin dangerous and you need alot of practice and seeing how people do it before you even attempt. Please don't try under anything like this unless you have adequate practice under safe conditions.
April-17th-2002, 04:16 AM
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good thing you put that disclaimer in there at the end hehe
Hey, do you go to SFU or UBC? I'm at SFU by the way..... I need a 'study budy' for Econ, well will need one for next semester
Good job on drifting, I must admit that I still have NO CLUE on how to do it, neither have I tried.
Hey, do you go to SFU or UBC? I'm at SFU by the way..... I need a 'study budy' for Econ, well will need one for next semester
Good job on drifting, I must admit that I still have NO CLUE on how to do it, neither have I tried.
April-17th-2002, 08:06 PM
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Hi Makaveli, Nope I don't go to either SFU or UBC. I go to SSB @ YorkU in Toronto. I'm first year only. Haha. Just read the textbook more, because it is the only way anyone can understand those graphs. I think Econ unlike other subjects you tend to understand by studying alone. But then, I study alone for all subjects and everything.
April-17th-2002, 09:34 PM
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Yup he has an 1986 AE86 he bought second hand in 1998 from a friend. Here are some specs of it:
1.6L 4A-GLEU swap producing 165hp@7800, 127lb/ft@5600rpm
(The stock engine is a 1.6L 4A-GEU producing 130hp@6700rpm, 110lb/ft@5200rpm)
Intake and Exhaust Cam upgrade
Reprogrammed CPU
HKS Sport Exhaust System. (headers, downpipe, muffler etc.)
HKS CAI
TRD Racing Springs
Tokico Dampers
HKS 16mm Rear Stabilizer bar
15-inch Buddy Club Rims, Gunmetal Colour
205/50/15ZR Falken ZE-502 tires
Correct me if I'm wrong because I don't know that much about th car.
All I know is that it revs like mad and quickly, to its 8200rpm redline, emiting this high-pitched whine.
Corners like mad also, especially when he drifts on a closed course. I have driven it also but didn't drift, because I didn't know how.
Yup, my brother watches Initial D also. He says some on the stuff is fake, like the gutter-run, where on wheel is lodged into a gutter for stability, and he also claims he better than Takumi, the guy that drives the Treuno.
I think my brother 86 handles even better, especially with all the suspension upgrades, and it's not bad on drag races either. He manages a high 5 to low 6 seconds 0-60mph run.
Best of all it weighs only 2000lbs, and feels very much like a race car. Who says cars from the 80's are crap.LOL
1.6L 4A-GLEU swap producing 165hp@7800, 127lb/ft@5600rpm
(The stock engine is a 1.6L 4A-GEU producing 130hp@6700rpm, 110lb/ft@5200rpm)
Intake and Exhaust Cam upgrade
Reprogrammed CPU
HKS Sport Exhaust System. (headers, downpipe, muffler etc.)
HKS CAI
TRD Racing Springs
Tokico Dampers
HKS 16mm Rear Stabilizer bar
15-inch Buddy Club Rims, Gunmetal Colour
205/50/15ZR Falken ZE-502 tires
Correct me if I'm wrong because I don't know that much about th car.
All I know is that it revs like mad and quickly, to its 8200rpm redline, emiting this high-pitched whine.
Corners like mad also, especially when he drifts on a closed course. I have driven it also but didn't drift, because I didn't know how.
Yup, my brother watches Initial D also. He says some on the stuff is fake, like the gutter-run, where on wheel is lodged into a gutter for stability, and he also claims he better than Takumi, the guy that drives the Treuno.
I think my brother 86 handles even better, especially with all the suspension upgrades, and it's not bad on drag races either. He manages a high 5 to low 6 seconds 0-60mph run.
Best of all it weighs only 2000lbs, and feels very much like a race car. Who says cars from the 80's are crap.LOL
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April-17th-2002, 10:19 PM
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cool!
the character's name's Takumi
drifting is usually not the fastest way around the corner, but it's an amazing display of driver's car control skill, peoples jaws drop when they see someone do it in person, as those two idiots in the mustang demonstrated
did, or does your brother compete in officially sanctioned races, or is he just a street racer? sounds like he's got quite a bit of skill to be competitive in real competitions.
the character's name's Takumi
drifting is usually not the fastest way around the corner, but it's an amazing display of driver's car control skill, peoples jaws drop when they see someone do it in person, as those two idiots in the mustang demonstrated
did, or does your brother compete in officially sanctioned races, or is he just a street racer? sounds like he's got quite a bit of skill to be competitive in real competitions.
April-17th-2002, 11:32 PM
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Actually, he participates in (illegal) street races at night. Their track is called Princess Road, it runs from an industrial sector to the a mountain going uphill then downhill, then through a commercial sector. The mountain part is where the bulk of the race is. It has many blind corners, so there are people who are on the lookout for traffic and then rely that info to the driver's radio. It's unlike what you see in Fast and Furious, none of that straight line racing crap, and "I'm afraid of police" garbage.
He runs alone, while some people are part of a loosely tied team. Most of the teams are nameless, not meaning they're not good, but they just keep low profile.
My brother took me there several times to see the races, and instead or the drag and rice LOL you see here, all there is are real performance sports cars. And most of them do race. No chill and talk there. Most people drive sub 250hp cars, because anything more powerful, nobody will control. They hardly shift into 5th or go beyond 100km/ on any part of the track because almost all of it consists with short straights and very narrow corners.
Most people drive RWD and 4WD cars. FWD cars is much more rare. Cars include the previous generation Mazda RX7, Miata, Toyota AE86, Celica GTS, Toyota Altezza, Mistubishi Lancer Evo, Honda Civic Type R, Integra Type R, Nissan 180SX, 240SX, Silvia etc.
I rode with him once also, when he went against a friend driving a 1993 240SX. I wasn't scared when he took those turns because I rode with him many times on a closed track before, but any normal person will **** a golden brick after the first corner. He won the race, because he's better than his friend, who has much less experience.
During the race, he did all his usual tricks like double clutching, heal-toe shifting, clutch-kick etc. I can't do any of those well.
Hehe, but I'm learning.
He runs alone, while some people are part of a loosely tied team. Most of the teams are nameless, not meaning they're not good, but they just keep low profile.
My brother took me there several times to see the races, and instead or the drag and rice LOL you see here, all there is are real performance sports cars. And most of them do race. No chill and talk there. Most people drive sub 250hp cars, because anything more powerful, nobody will control. They hardly shift into 5th or go beyond 100km/ on any part of the track because almost all of it consists with short straights and very narrow corners.
Most people drive RWD and 4WD cars. FWD cars is much more rare. Cars include the previous generation Mazda RX7, Miata, Toyota AE86, Celica GTS, Toyota Altezza, Mistubishi Lancer Evo, Honda Civic Type R, Integra Type R, Nissan 180SX, 240SX, Silvia etc.
I rode with him once also, when he went against a friend driving a 1993 240SX. I wasn't scared when he took those turns because I rode with him many times on a closed track before, but any normal person will **** a golden brick after the first corner. He won the race, because he's better than his friend, who has much less experience.
During the race, he did all his usual tricks like double clutching, heal-toe shifting, clutch-kick etc. I can't do any of those well.
Hehe, but I'm learning.
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April-18th-2002, 07:04 AM
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I still don't really understand
Ok, I may or may not know what your talking about drifting but is that when you are taking a 90 agle turn, Basically, and in order to make the turn at a higher speed, without alot of breaking, you simply start to turn then pull the e-brake then once the backend has slid around, you let go of the e-brake the car " drifts a little to the outer side of the turn as you regan control and speed up. This would be my half-a$$ed way of decribing my expeirence's in American, pardon my English.
April-18th-2002, 08:55 AM
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found this page...
it has a full download (i presume) of Initial D Battle Stage movie, I'm posting this so I can download it when I get home from work...
Initial D is an anime about drift racing, it is CG, but gives you a good idea what drifting looks like
here's the link:
http://216.129.160.26:8080/vids3.html
have fun!
Initial D is an anime about drift racing, it is CG, but gives you a good idea what drifting looks like
here's the link:
http://216.129.160.26:8080/vids3.html
have fun!
April-18th-2002, 09:08 AM
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ahhhh
Ok, That doesnt help, I really just wanted to know wiether what I was doing was drifting, cause i could do it quite well, nd gunny thingis I was driving a 94 taurus Wagon with a foot e-brake. I had to keep one hand on the realese and the other on the steering wheel, I could pull 360 turns, 180's and J-turns in that car it sucked so I thrashed so it was cool. An i had a Bad *** system in it to complete the whole Package of reckless driving and wannabe sporty-ness
April-18th-2002, 09:42 AM
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not sure if spinning your car 360 or 180 IN PLACE is considered drifting, your description of the 90 degree turn sounds like drifting.
if you follow FIA WRC, you should see quite a bit of drifting in action, especially when they're driving in dirt/snow
if you follow FIA WRC, you should see quite a bit of drifting in action, especially when they're driving in dirt/snow
April-18th-2002, 09:49 AM
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Ok
But when I was speaking out about my Old taurus I mean, e-brake turns, not spinning in place like a power slide(AWD), so drifting is just using the e-brake to slide through a turn instead, or to slide so that the car ends up facing the desired direction without much lose in spead cause it was later speed then, driving normally, instead of slowing down for the turn, but Which is better, I realize that races like rally races drifting is better, but street turns and all, drifting wouldn't be best way to take a turn. And I understand that it was all for show
April-18th-2002, 02:26 PM
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Drifting basically consists of 3 components.
1. Initialing the drift usually by lifting the throttle at mid corner and then tapping it again, braking, e-braking, hard steering, etc
2. Maintaining the drift, which is the hardest part. You have to control the throttle precsiely to keep the rear spinning while counter steering to keep the drift while not losing grip and not gaining too much grip which will destroy the drift.
3. Lastly, exiting the drift, which is done by counter steering, and gradually applying less throttle so that the tires grip again. You also have to apply enough throttle so that the car's revs stay up, especially for high revving engines, in order to keep it in the power band. And the transition from the drift to the exit has to be soft to minimize a sudden abrupt body roll.
Some people in Canada claim they know how to drift because they can make the car slide out of control. That is not drifting in its purest sense, its more like sliding. They claim they can drift their Tercels and X5s, because they can get it to slide. Drifting is to used to get through tight 70 degree pluz corners minimizing braking and body roll. It can also be used for long, less tight corners.
1. Initialing the drift usually by lifting the throttle at mid corner and then tapping it again, braking, e-braking, hard steering, etc
2. Maintaining the drift, which is the hardest part. You have to control the throttle precsiely to keep the rear spinning while counter steering to keep the drift while not losing grip and not gaining too much grip which will destroy the drift.
3. Lastly, exiting the drift, which is done by counter steering, and gradually applying less throttle so that the tires grip again. You also have to apply enough throttle so that the car's revs stay up, especially for high revving engines, in order to keep it in the power band. And the transition from the drift to the exit has to be soft to minimize a sudden abrupt body roll.
Some people in Canada claim they know how to drift because they can make the car slide out of control. That is not drifting in its purest sense, its more like sliding. They claim they can drift their Tercels and X5s, because they can get it to slide. Drifting is to used to get through tight 70 degree pluz corners minimizing braking and body roll. It can also be used for long, less tight corners.