muscle car vs. sports cars
February-8th-2003, 01:10 PM
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muscle car vs. sports cars
mucle cars
mustang 5.0 trans am, (firebird)
gto pontiac lemans (old school)
camaro
chevelle
sports car
280z
300, 350z, skyline , silvia, and yes the 240
honda prelude
toyota celica, supra
mazda rx7
corvette
mitsubuishi eclispe
saleen mustang
The difference muscle cars focus more on horespowe and torque
The Sports cars focus on everything performance , horspower handling suspension comfort, the whole nine. I admit the camaros, mustangs and firebirds tried to make the rides a little more comfortable but they still drive like tanks they are still too big and bulky, and they are surely too dam loud.
mustang 5.0 trans am, (firebird)
gto pontiac lemans (old school)
camaro
chevelle
sports car
280z
300, 350z, skyline , silvia, and yes the 240
honda prelude
toyota celica, supra
mazda rx7
corvette
mitsubuishi eclispe
saleen mustang
The difference muscle cars focus more on horespowe and torque
The Sports cars focus on everything performance , horspower handling suspension comfort, the whole nine. I admit the camaros, mustangs and firebirds tried to make the rides a little more comfortable but they still drive like tanks they are still too big and bulky, and they are surely too dam loud.
February-8th-2003, 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
ANYTHING front wheel drive is neither. Simple as that...
ANYTHING front wheel drive is neither. Simple as that...
honda prelude or celica reall belong.
if u want a honda, inclue the S2000, and the celica can belong if u think of the WRC racer they had in the 90's. The exlipse could cont, when u think about the GSX
February-8th-2003, 11:43 PM
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Originally posted by Installshield
any second gen eclipse had a **** chassis, and there for is worthless handling wise. Hell in that respect a 450whp GS-T or X would be more of a muscle car than a sports car.
any second gen eclipse had a **** chassis, and there for is worthless handling wise. Hell in that respect a 450whp GS-T or X would be more of a muscle car than a sports car.
February-9th-2003, 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
How about an autocross? I can post a ton of results.
I've got a good friend who's a pretty good driver driving a Talon AWD that runs 11.7@123mph. Thats over 400whp. He's never beat my MR2, which has 105whp if I'm lucky. Then again, Denis Grant is pretty fast in his 2nd gen Talon....but he's Canadian, so
Eclipses are FAR TOO heavy, and dont have good suspension geometry. They also suffer from power steering issues.
How about an autocross? I can post a ton of results.
I've got a good friend who's a pretty good driver driving a Talon AWD that runs 11.7@123mph. Thats over 400whp. He's never beat my MR2, which has 105whp if I'm lucky. Then again, Denis Grant is pretty fast in his 2nd gen Talon....but he's Canadian, so
Eclipses are FAR TOO heavy, and dont have good suspension geometry. They also suffer from power steering issues.
February-9th-2003, 11:57 AM
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Re: muscle car vs. sports cars
Originally posted by asobersiii
mucle cars
mustang 5.0
mucle cars
mustang 5.0
Are they no longer muscle cars or sports cars?? Are they still even Pony cars??
February-9th-2003, 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
How about an autocross? I can post a ton of results.
I've got a good friend who's a pretty good driver driving a Talon AWD that runs 11.7@123mph. Thats over 400whp. He's never beat my MR2, which has 105whp if I'm lucky. Then again, Denis Grant is pretty fast in his 2nd gen Talon....but he's Canadian, so
Eclipses are FAR TOO heavy, and dont have good suspension geometry. They also suffer from power steering issues.
How about an autocross? I can post a ton of results.
I've got a good friend who's a pretty good driver driving a Talon AWD that runs 11.7@123mph. Thats over 400whp. He's never beat my MR2, which has 105whp if I'm lucky. Then again, Denis Grant is pretty fast in his 2nd gen Talon....but he's Canadian, so
Eclipses are FAR TOO heavy, and dont have good suspension geometry. They also suffer from power steering issues.
February-9th-2003, 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Installshield
thank you for defending me Jesse, people see them in the Fast in the Furious and retarded amounts of power pulling them around and think they can beat any car on a track. When in fact they can't at all. On roadcoursed cars with a 4th of their power (as you said) can feed them taillights all day...
thank you for defending me Jesse, people see them in the Fast in the Furious and retarded amounts of power pulling them around and think they can beat any car on a track. When in fact they can't at all. On roadcoursed cars with a 4th of their power (as you said) can feed them taillights all day...
My brother was a race marshall at Mosport for several years. He's seen lots of this. He once gave a blue flag to a guy in a newer (at that time) Camaro, there ws a CRX right on his ***. The driver in the Camaro didn't seem too impressed but by the next lap the guy in the CRX was in front of him.
February-9th-2003, 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Installshield
thank you for defending me Jesse, people see them in the Fast in the Furious and retarded amounts of power pulling them around and think they can beat any car on a track. When in fact they can't at all. On roadcoursed cars with a 4th of their power (as you said) can feed them taillights all day...
thank you for defending me Jesse, people see them in the Fast in the Furious and retarded amounts of power pulling them around and think they can beat any car on a track. When in fact they can't at all. On roadcoursed cars with a 4th of their power (as you said) can feed them taillights all day...
look if youre talking about me I've been doin this for over 10 years so you can take that F & F sh#@ somewhere else! I never said my eclispe was built for autocrossing did you I said lets go & see what kind of time I can get. if I want to autocross I use my 88 crx for that so thank you & have a nice day!
February-9th-2003, 01:18 PM
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Re: Re: muscle car vs. sports cars
Originally posted by midnightblue97
What about the newer Mustangs??
Are they no longer muscle cars or sports cars?? Are they still even Pony cars??
What about the newer Mustangs??
Are they no longer muscle cars or sports cars?? Are they still even Pony cars??
when the V6 has 200hp and the standard V8 has 260hp nevermind the SVT models, i would say yes, they're still muscle cars, as outdated as that term is.
February-9th-2003, 02:20 PM
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Re: Re: Re: muscle car vs. sports cars
Originally posted by alcoholiday
when the V6 has 200hp and the standard V8 has 260hp nevermind the SVT models, i would say yes, they're still muscle cars, as outdated as that term is.
when the V6 has 200hp and the standard V8 has 260hp nevermind the SVT models, i would say yes, they're still muscle cars, as outdated as that term is.
February-9th-2003, 02:36 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: muscle car vs. sports cars
Originally posted by midnightblue97
Yeah I know, but mostly I was refering to the Mustang 5.0 part. There hasn't been a 5.0 mustang since 95. Or if you really want to get technical, or stupid, you can say that there hasn't been one since 1993, since that is the last year that they came with the 5.0 badging.
Yeah I know, but mostly I was refering to the Mustang 5.0 part. There hasn't been a 5.0 mustang since 95. Or if you really want to get technical, or stupid, you can say that there hasn't been one since 1993, since that is the last year that they came with the 5.0 badging.
what's funny is the 5.0s made 225 hp stock. well, not really, since they changed the method of rating and they were down to 205 later on.
not all that muscular.
mind you, the torque is still fun.with ford recently bringing out the "bullit" model and now the mach1 (pales next to the original i'd imagine) and the 2005 going back to the styling cues of the original, i'd say they're trying to bring the "muscle car back", 5.0 or not.
i can't believe that GM kicked their asses power-wise for so many years yet the F-body died. not that it was a loss.
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February-9th-2003, 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Team Fuzion
look if youre talking about me I've been doin this for over 10 years so you can take that F & F sh#@ somewhere else! I never said my eclispe was built for autocrossing did you I said lets go & see what kind of time I can get. if I want to autocross I use my 88 crx for that so thank you & have a nice day!
look if youre talking about me I've been doin this for over 10 years so you can take that F & F sh#@ somewhere else! I never said my eclispe was built for autocrossing did you I said lets go & see what kind of time I can get. if I want to autocross I use my 88 crx for that so thank you & have a nice day!
Just chill the hell out man, I was not trying to insult your ego. If you feel insulted for that I apologize...
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February-9th-2003, 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Installshield
I am not trying to fight with you at all, so relax. I only pointed out that a Eclipse is in no way whatsoever a sports car. you said it yourself it is not "built" for turns or a racetrack. All I mentioned was the weak chassis, and you said "well lets go see what time I get in my 2g eclipse with 473whp bla bla bla..." I am only stating that the ridiculous amounts of power the 4G63 is capable of does not make the entire car better than a 130hp Lotus Elise on a track. It may accelerate with wreckless abandon but you will be hard pressed to not get burned by Jesse in a mid engined MR2...
Just chill the hell out man, I was not trying to insult your ego. If you feel insulted for that I apologize...
I am not trying to fight with you at all, so relax. I only pointed out that a Eclipse is in no way whatsoever a sports car. you said it yourself it is not "built" for turns or a racetrack. All I mentioned was the weak chassis, and you said "well lets go see what time I get in my 2g eclipse with 473whp bla bla bla..." I am only stating that the ridiculous amounts of power the 4G63 is capable of does not make the entire car better than a 130hp Lotus Elise on a track. It may accelerate with wreckless abandon but you will be hard pressed to not get burned by Jesse in a mid engined MR2...
Just chill the hell out man, I was not trying to insult your ego. If you feel insulted for that I apologize...
sorry i thought you where ******* me out. i apologize