vegasdriver

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060325/D8GIA4982.html

The illegal immigration problem is a real issue with americans.
Most demand action by the government.
What do you think? Vote and comment below:
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vegasdriver

Things can be more serious than what people think.
The illegals and some legals numbers are so big that they want to boycott businesses and do a work stopage.
Furthermore, the mexican government has allowed dual citizenship which means once here legally they have the right to vote in both countries and influence US politics and election outcomes again in BOTH countries. You would have a foreign country messing with US internal affairs and interests!!!!
The huge numbers of illegals, some 12 million, wanting legalization will change america for ever. Throw in the language factor and a refusal by some to assimilate and learn english and you have a VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM!
What do you think will happen if the hispanic numbers approach 70% + in some of our southwestern states?. Areas like southern California, New Mexico and Texas are very close or over that number! Secession down the road won't be out of the question! We might as well take out the UNITED out of the United States!!!!!!!!!!

meGrimlock

the govt should have the power to legalize the existing "non-legal workers" should work with latin american countries on helping to prevent "mass unsanctioned migrations" while keeping borders open to immigration that started this hemiphere in the first place.

these people are willing to risk their lives to be somewhere other than where they came from, yet thousands of college kids go there every spring and blow their money on condoms and corona.

Roddimus Prime

I don't even know where to begin. Normally I'm very vocal and loud about things like this. Instead I'll just say this:

You break laws you should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. If the police/government won't punsh you I will.

KrayzieFox

I say if you're illegal .. you gotta go! I'm an immigrant myself but there's no way around the law, that's just how it is ....

scotty878

I say send them back, but don't put up a wall...Allow immigration, but make sure they do things right. They should know how to speak English for one....And they should know the laws and all that "jazz." They should earn their citizenship the right way!

Caprice

I happen to like the wall. I say we build it, put motion-sensor controlled guns on it, and let anythign in sight get blown to bits. Then, give the illegals a pamphlet that explains the proper procedure and deport them. If the Mexican government doesn't like it, then they should have done something to HELP us control this problem over the last two decades.

If you want to work in this country, I think you absolutely must be documented. If you want government services, you should be paying in to the fund that pays for those services. I don't think it is too much to ask that people come in legaly, and I don't feel "sorry" for them if they get sent back to their country of origin as a result of their criminal conduct.

In regards to concerns that this would cause a rash of illegal checks on people that appear to be of mexican (or similiar) origin, my only responce is to build it into the law that law enforcment check everyone for their legal status when stopped. This could be done at the same time they run your ID for a traffic stop or any other situation, it would just require a little creativity in setting up the networking.

I also want all of these reports of possible Mexican military incursions into the U.S. investigated. We need to know if they are actually Mexican armed forces or just smugglers pretending to be, and we need to prevent future incursions at any cost.

And yes, if these problems existed on the U.S./Canada border, I'd argue for the exact same treatment.

kmaalfiisa

sh** my grandparents came over during ww 2

but before they could they had to go through all immigration papers and licenses
they also needed a sponsor who lived in america. all this while a war goes on, waiting for the replies.

i see it as this, they were poor and lost everything and still had to wait, they didn't come over illegally still.
some illegals today are coming over for jobs and family and avoid papers and documents, and benifit from financial aid and section 8 (not all do)

my grandpaerents got sh** on before and after coming over... and couldnt recieve any government aid

these mo**er F***as are taking from my tax dollars and living illegally. thats some bu** sh**

vegasdriver

Here is a site for those that oppose illegal immigration

www.alipac.us


and take a survey at:

www.secureamericasborders.com

Roddimus Prime

I would think anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together could realize that illegal aliens are wrong just by the name. "ILLEGAL".

What's happening is our ultra-p.c. society is saying that those opposing illegal insurgants are just being racist so we have to accept everyone despite the fact they are breaking the law.

I hate Mexico. I love our legal mexican citizens but hate their crap-hole country.


p.s. Do people not remember that California and Texas have been sued (and lost to mexico) because they do not provide water fountains for illegals who are thirsty on their trek into our country illegaly? I wish I was making that up. They demanded that water fountains be placed in the path illegal insurgants take into the country so people don't die of thirst.

Anarchistchiken

Matt you're still jsut pissed off about them invading our cookout aren't you?

Here's the thing with this issue, it's not just cut and dry, send em back and stop them from coming. In a perfect world, the voice of the VAST majority of people in the US would be heard and we would be able to devote the money and resources needed to stopping or at least slowing down this mass exodus. But we have politicians and beurocracy standing in the way of getting things done. They're much more worried about their own names appearing in the paper and being "anit-immigrant" (it's very easy to become anit anything in this country. I was anti-american, and indeed on the verge of terrorism because I voted for someone besides the worst president in our nations history) to take any action!

The border needs to be well patrolled. By that I mean we need to do whatever we need to do to make sure our borders are secure. Billions of dollars have been dumped into establishing the "homeland security" department, but almost zero action has been taken to close up the mexican border. Regardless of wether you think that illegals should be allowed to continue stealing money from our country and jobs from it's citizens, the border needs to be tightly maintained to keep the more dangerous people out. The ease with which a group of terrorists could ship a nuclear weapon to a port in Mexico and simply drive it up into the US without any resistance whatsoever would blow your mind.

So in summation:
Border needs to be closed
Can't be closed because politicians are ******* pussies (oh yeah and the fact that we dont have anywhere near the money required to keep terrorists out because we're over on the other side of the world pissing them off)
Vote for McCain

Anarchistchiken

You can't get a drivers license unless you have a birth certificate and social security card in most states, and if you give the cops a fake license, well then you deserve to be arrested, lol.

vegasdriver

HOUSTON PRINCIPAL FLIES MEXICAN FLAG OVER SCHOOL!

Opinions split over red, white and green
Mexican flags divisive topic as principal shows his support for student protests


By JENNIFER RADCLIFFE
Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle

Reagan High School Principal Robert Pambello was ordered to remove a Mexican flag Wednesday morning that he had hoisted below the U.S. and Texas flags that typically fly in front of his school — a symbol he agreed to fly to show support for his predominantly Hispanic student body.

At nearby Hamilton Middle School, a child was asked to wipe off Mexican and U.S. flags painted on his face. Hundreds of other students carried Mexican flags during walkouts Wednesday — acts of protest that they vow to continue until Congress rejects legislation that would further restrict immigration.

"There's no other way to be heard ... It's not the best way or the right way, but it's our way," Reagan freshman Jose Lopez, 14, said of the effort.

The Mexican flag has become a lightning rod in the immigration debate that's consumed the city and the nation this week. Students say the flag represents their pride in the contributions Mexicans make to this country. Critics, though, said watching young Hispanics in the streets with the red, green and white flags is more than they can stand. These youngsters are in the United States and should — at the least — carry the U.S. flag, they argue.

"The whole thing just makes my blood boil," said Bruce R. Wing, a 52-year-old Missouri City resident. "I want them all out of here."

Wing said the Houston Independent School District should fire Pambello.

HISD leaders said no decision has been made about possible discipline against the principal, who declined interview requests Wednesday.

"It is appropriate to fly the flags of the United States and Texas over schools in the Houston Independent School District, since we are a public entity of the state," HISD spokesman Terry Abbott said. "It would not be appropriate for the school district to advocate allegiance to a country other than the United States. Therefore, it is not appropriate to permit use of school district flagpoles for the purpose of flying flags representing other countries."

Raul Ramos, a professor of Texas history at the University of Houston, said most Mexican-Americans see no contradiction in flying the Mexican flag alongside those of Texas and the United States.

"Most students at Reagan High School have relatives or ancestors from Mexico," said Ramos. "The flag represents Mexican heritage as much if not more than citizenship."


Historical research
Ramos noted that there is a long Texas history of both flags flying. He has found Mexican and Texas flags interwined during Mexican Independence Day parades in such cities as Laredo, El Paso and San Antonio dating to 1910.

Calling HISD's decision a reaction to cultural anxiety, he said, "it's important for the school to make efforts to identify with the student body," not vice versa. "The school, after all, reflects the ethnic identity of the students sitting in its classrooms."

Nearly 60 percent of HISD's 200,000-plus students are Hispanic.


Plan to raise flag today
Some Reagan students said they will try to raise a Mexican flag again today. They said they want it to fly at least above the Texas flag on the pole.

"Just because you're in the country doesn't mean you can't show your culture," said Lewis Ramirez, 16, a sophomore at Reagan High.

Carina Muriel, a junior at Channelview High School, said she doesn't think it's appropriate for her rallying classmates to carry Mexican flags.

"If they really want to show devotion, they should be carrying U.S. flags," she said.

Muriel said students at her school are walking out, wearing white shirts and carrying Mexican flags.

"More than half don't even know why they are doing it," she said. "It seems to me that they just want to be part of something big, but they don't know what it is. They've never before cared about politics, or what was going on with our government. The reason they care now is because it gives them a chance to cut class."

Jose Cantu, 18, a junior at Reagan, said he read the 54-page bill Wednesday so he could understand why he's protesting. "It got confusing," he said. "So I wanted to see the whole thing."


Districts ponder problem
School districts, meanwhile, are trying to figure out how to allow children to learn about the issues and express their feelings while also disciplining those who continue to walk out of class in protest.

"I so appreciate the fact that young people are getting excited about what's going on in their country. What could be more inspiring than seeing children wanting to have their voices heard in their political process?" said HISD trustee Natasha M. Kamrani, who represents the neighborhoods that feed into Reagan. "But there's a way to protest and then there's a way to organize to make change."

To accomplish that, students need to be in class learning and preparing for college, she said.

About 300 students from North Shore and Galena Park high schools staged protests outside their schools Wednesday — the first organized protests to be held in that district.

"It picked up today for us," said Staci Stanfield, spokeswoman for the Galena Park District. "I think they're watching it. We've seen kind of copycat protests that have cropped up throughout the entire country and area."


Baytown march
In Baytown, about 50 students — some waving Mexican flags — skipped class to march from one of the town's two high schools, Robert E. Lee, where nearly half of the 2,511 students are Hispanic.

About 200 Alvin High School students participated in an early-morning march. Though most of the students had returned to school by 10 a.m., a group of about 40 students made a 10-mile trek to Pearland High School, Alvin ISD spokeswoman Shirley Brothers said.

Students demanded to meet with Alvin Mayor Andy Reyes, who eventually agreed to meet with a delegation of students today.

Oscar DeLeon, a parent of three children in the protest, left work to watch the march.

"I support them. They've got their rights," he said.

Alvin High School Principal Kevon Wells, who also watched the group, said the students will be treated as truants. Punishment can include after-school detention and being assigned to an alternative school campus, he said.


Text messages spread word
Students said the makeshift rally was publicized through text messages.

A text message sent by an HISD student Wednesday encouraged more walkouts.

Part of it read: "Do ANY of you know how much money our schools make for each student that attends everyday ... Imagine how much money they would lose if we didn't go."

HISD Superintendent Abelardo Saavedra has vowed harsher punishments for students who continue to miss classes to protest.

The 50 Marshall Middle School students who made their way to City Hall on Wednesday, for example, could be suspended for up to three days, officials said.

The district had to spend $5,500 Tuesday to transport 30 busloads of students from City Hall back to Austin, Davis and Sam Houston high schools.

"Any student who engages in this kind of activity today can be suspended for up to three days, and may be removed from school outright," Abbott said. "There also are severe academic consequences."

Chronicle reporters Todd Ackerman, Alexis Grant, Cindy Horswell and Richard Stewart contributed to this report.

KHOU Channel 11 also contributed to this report

Anarchistchiken

You gotta be shittin me...

I think this is a little ridiculous to be honest. Should a flag of ANY other country be flown from a flag pole owned by the government? I dont think so. That would kind of defeat the purpose of having the US flag on the same pole, wouldn't it?

But them telling kids they can't carry or display mexican flags on their person is ******* insane! Why should they not be allowed to? This country was founded on the right to do just that, and if you listen to popular propaganda, kids are dying in Iraq right now to defend that right.

hughes412

Well the hole immigration this is BS! And the mexican flag it even worse. If you're that in love with your country then MOVE BACK! If the mexican nationals came together like this in mexico then maybe they could atually turn the government into something. But they don't, why? Because they are to lazy. Look at the way they live. Drive by their homes, look at their cars, close. You don't have to be rich to take care of things. And before anyone dares call me a racist, not only have I lived with a mexican national family for 3 yrs I've been engaged to 2 mexican women. If you can't come here legally then don't grip when we send you home.