hughes412

See this is the kind of thinking that has messed up this country.
No this country wasn't founded on the right to do that. When they founded this country the did so with RULES that they felt were ok. Yes they gave you the freedom of speach, but thay didn't mean to go out and yell FU@# to the government. That got you arrested. They ment that if you didn't like something you could voice it in a respectful way and not be punished for it. But you would not see some one back them come over for Europe and fly their flag. That would have got you shot. There are rules and if you don't like them leave.

kmaalfiisa

Caprice

You should tell the BMVs that! Loads of illegal mexicans have completely valid liscenses to drive, even in states where it is supposedly more difficult!! It is loony!

cornercarve98

Ya, this issue is a big mess. The term "illegal alien" is self explanatory--they are breaking our laws. I don't like the fact that because of them, as far as undocumented, uninsured, and un-a whole lot of other things, they are suffocating our health services (hospitals mostly) for US CITIZENS. I don't like the fact that they have illegal drivers liscences and that it screws up the roads more than they already are with up tight drivers (southern CA, sheez). No I have not had the displeasure of getting in a wreck with an uninsured motorist, but I've heard a bunch of other people's beef with it.

It's great that they want to come here, yay. But please, out of respect for our country and it's laws and the other people who have immigrated here legally; go through the process and become a legal citizen. That way, they're on the good side of the argument.

Sure they help take up jobs and help the economy, but dang if our unemployment rate could use some help. This country was obviously built on immigration, so I welcome them...legally. I will forgive them for breaking the law and coming here illegally to the country I support and pay taxes to, but I want them to go back and make it right (because they can do so) by going through all the paperwork and stuff.

Mr. Fox, the Mexican president, isn't helping the situation at all--he's encouraging illegal immigration. Which is crap. Way to try and screw up our country, thank you. I appreciate your utter disrespect, Mr. Fox.

Again, this is a very messy issue that I wish our governments took on regardless of PC, because PC is flat BS and ruins progress in so many ways. Anyways, I have no problem with Mexican people at all. They're good, hard working people--the ones I know and work with. They can come here all they want. Just please do it legally. And for those who have come here illegally, I forgive you, and now please go and make it right, and I will be fine.

Roddimus Prime

""More than half don't even know why they are doing it," she said. "It seems to me that they just want to be part of something big, but they don't know what it is. They've never before cared about politics, or what was going on with our government. The reason they care now is because it gives them a chance to cut class." "

That's the gospel right there



p.s. Anyone interested in a "MinuteMan" meet in the southwest sometime soon? I'm bringing the gloc23.

vegasdriver

Modest expectations for trip to Mexico:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family. We plan to walk across the border from the United States into Mexico.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way we do here. I will be expecting the following:

-- Free medical care for my entire family.

-- English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

-- All government forms printed in English.

-- English-speaking teachers for my kids, as well as classes on American culture and history and free breakfast and lunch.

-- The American flag flying atop the school's flagpole, with the Mexican flag flying below it.

-- A Mexican driver's license so I can have easy access to government services.

I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws. I expect that all Mexican police officers will speak English.

I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my housetop, put flag decals on my car and have a gigantic celebration on July Fourth. I do not want to hear any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes; labor laws and tax laws shouldn't be enforced. I expect all Mexicans to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me or about the strain I might place on their economy.

I know these are modest expectations because we already do all these things for all the people who come to the United States from Mexico.

vegasdriver

A friend just e-mailed me the following:

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that
context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an
immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to
capacity>by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant
college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his
latest book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and
illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would
march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American
Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and
gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat
spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the
United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too
self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that
hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold
Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that
'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"
Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

"First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or
multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can
survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing
languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be
bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical
scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual
and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil,
tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face
crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if
not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and
Corsicans.".

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent
'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec'
without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent
success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have
been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together." Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the
least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,
undereducated,and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high. school."

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big
foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority
failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual
citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened the ir liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E.Pluribus Unum" -- >From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus'. Instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our
immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration
has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every
individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of
millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor
Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America. deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book.".

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an
ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in. America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength.".

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at
the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

vegasdriver

This guy plainly sums up how I felt about Jorge Ws speech yesterday and about illegals:

http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-27267.html