1986 or 89 Toyota celica GTS
November-18th-2002, 09:38 PM
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1986 or 89 Toyota celica GTS
OK i'm thinking of getting a celica gts. I don't know but i just love the old school look.
Does anyone know where i can find some sites for these cars? I wanna make it look like a trueno.
Now the 86 has RWD and the 89 has FWD. Which one would be better?
Suggestions welcome
Does anyone know where i can find some sites for these cars? I wanna make it look like a trueno.
Now the 86 has RWD and the 89 has FWD. Which one would be better?
Suggestions welcome
November-18th-2002, 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by THEGOLDPRO
i'd get the 86 for the drifting baby. sorry i dont know any sites.
i'd get the 86 for the drifting baby. sorry i dont know any sites.
November-18th-2002, 10:40 PM
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November-19th-2002, 12:45 AM
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OK, I think y'all are getting confused. Both the 86 and 89 Toyota Celica are FWD cars, although they were available as an ultra-rare turbo AWD version called the GT-Four. (Later versions of the GT-Four were cool, but the 86-89 GT-Four was tremendously overweight and less than awe-inspiring.) All of the previous versions of the Celica (71-85) were RWD. The 71-85 Celica (esp. the 81-85 version) used to have a small cult following, although they were generally less than fast in stock form. 
The 86-89 Celica was a slow, tarted-up economy car. 
Y'all are thinking of the 85-87 *COROLLA* GT-S. The car known in Japan as the Trueno Sprinter, aka the AE86. These cars *were* RWD, and handle great, although they were generally less than fast in stock form. The 88-91 Corolla GT-S (the AE92) had a better motor than the AE86, but was FWD and was a slow, tarted-up economy car. Most enthusiasts completely forgot about this car because the 2nd-gen Honda CRX Si came out at the same time. You should probably forget about it too.
The 86-89 Celica was a slow, tarted-up economy car. Y'all are thinking of the 85-87 *COROLLA* GT-S. The car known in Japan as the Trueno Sprinter, aka the AE86. These cars *were* RWD, and handle great, although they were generally less than fast in stock form.
The 88-91 Corolla GT-S (the AE92) had a better motor than the AE86, but was FWD and was a slow, tarted-up economy car. Most enthusiasts completely forgot about this car because the 2nd-gen Honda CRX Si came out at the same time. You should probably forget about it too.
November-19th-2002, 08:49 AM
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OK, I meant to give a quick plus-minus list on the 85-87 Corolla GT-S, but I had to give up the computer. Here goes:
Plus:
1) Really good handling.
2) Cool old-school look.
3) Unique- won't see many more of them driving around
4) Unbelievably reliable and durable (this goes for ~78-85 RWD Toyotas in general).
5) Fun and easy to hot-rod, esp. if you can import parts from Japan (you can buy ANYTHING for these cars over there).
6) Engine revs really well.
Minus:
1) Somewhat scarce, and VERY hard to find in clean, undamaged condition unless you live in the San Francisco Bay area (for some reason, most good AE86's in the U.S. have migrated there).
2) Most cars that you will find will be the lame, slow SR-5 version (65 hp SOHC engine, very hard to convert to DOHC due to fuel system).
3) Hard to find parts at junkyards due to scarcity; do not assume that you can find ANY used parts, esp. unbent body panels, at the yards. Many mechanical parts are shared with the earlier KE/TE Corollas; these parts are common and cheap, but get friendly with your local Toyota dealer for any parts unique to the AE86.
4) Although the engine revs great, these cars have very tall gearing and no low-end torque whatsoever, and this is not a good combo. Although they weren't too bad by early 80's standards, they are S-L-O-O-W by today's standards. Prepare to get dusted by manual-tranny Civic DX's until you mod it.
Anyways, I think they're neat cars despite having some drawbacks. Good luck!
Plus:
1) Really good handling.
2) Cool old-school look.
3) Unique- won't see many more of them driving around
4) Unbelievably reliable and durable (this goes for ~78-85 RWD Toyotas in general).
5) Fun and easy to hot-rod, esp. if you can import parts from Japan (you can buy ANYTHING for these cars over there).
6) Engine revs really well.
Minus:
1) Somewhat scarce, and VERY hard to find in clean, undamaged condition unless you live in the San Francisco Bay area (for some reason, most good AE86's in the U.S. have migrated there).
2) Most cars that you will find will be the lame, slow SR-5 version (65 hp SOHC engine, very hard to convert to DOHC due to fuel system).
3) Hard to find parts at junkyards due to scarcity; do not assume that you can find ANY used parts, esp. unbent body panels, at the yards. Many mechanical parts are shared with the earlier KE/TE Corollas; these parts are common and cheap, but get friendly with your local Toyota dealer for any parts unique to the AE86.
4) Although the engine revs great, these cars have very tall gearing and no low-end torque whatsoever, and this is not a good combo. Although they weren't too bad by early 80's standards, they are S-L-O-O-W by today's standards. Prepare to get dusted by manual-tranny Civic DX's until you mod it.
Anyways, I think they're neat cars despite having some drawbacks. Good luck!
November-19th-2002, 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by carguycw
OK, I meant to give a quick plus-minus list on the 85-87 Corolla GT-S, but I had to give up the computer. Here goes:
Plus:
1) Really good handling.
2) Cool old-school look.
3) Unique- won't see many more of them driving around
4) Unbelievably reliable and durable (this goes for ~78-85 RWD Toyotas in general).
5) Fun and easy to hot-rod, esp. if you can import parts from Japan (you can buy ANYTHING for these cars over there).
6) Engine revs really well.
Minus:
1) Somewhat scarce, and VERY hard to find in clean, undamaged condition unless you live in the San Francisco Bay area (for some reason, most good AE86's in the U.S. have migrated there).
2) Most cars that you will find will be the lame, slow SR-5 version (65 hp SOHC engine, very hard to convert to DOHC due to fuel system).
3) Hard to find parts at junkyards due to scarcity; do not assume that you can find ANY used parts, esp. unbent body panels, at the yards. Many mechanical parts are shared with the earlier KE/TE Corollas; these parts are common and cheap, but get friendly with your local Toyota dealer for any parts unique to the AE86.
4) Although the engine revs great, these cars have very tall gearing and no low-end torque whatsoever, and this is not a good combo. Although they weren't too bad by early 80's standards, they are S-L-O-O-W by today's standards. Prepare to get dusted by manual-tranny Civic DX's until you mod it.
Anyways, I think they're neat cars despite having some drawbacks. Good luck!
OK, I meant to give a quick plus-minus list on the 85-87 Corolla GT-S, but I had to give up the computer. Here goes:
Plus:
1) Really good handling.
2) Cool old-school look.
3) Unique- won't see many more of them driving around
4) Unbelievably reliable and durable (this goes for ~78-85 RWD Toyotas in general).
5) Fun and easy to hot-rod, esp. if you can import parts from Japan (you can buy ANYTHING for these cars over there).
6) Engine revs really well.
Minus:
1) Somewhat scarce, and VERY hard to find in clean, undamaged condition unless you live in the San Francisco Bay area (for some reason, most good AE86's in the U.S. have migrated there).
2) Most cars that you will find will be the lame, slow SR-5 version (65 hp SOHC engine, very hard to convert to DOHC due to fuel system).
3) Hard to find parts at junkyards due to scarcity; do not assume that you can find ANY used parts, esp. unbent body panels, at the yards. Many mechanical parts are shared with the earlier KE/TE Corollas; these parts are common and cheap, but get friendly with your local Toyota dealer for any parts unique to the AE86.
4) Although the engine revs great, these cars have very tall gearing and no low-end torque whatsoever, and this is not a good combo. Although they weren't too bad by early 80's standards, they are S-L-O-O-W by today's standards. Prepare to get dusted by manual-tranny Civic DX's until you mod it.
Anyways, I think they're neat cars despite having some drawbacks. Good luck!
November-19th-2002, 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by Elchulo
I didn't know 135hp at 6000rpm and 125hp at 4800rpm was considered slow.
I didn't know 135hp at 6000rpm and 125hp at 4800rpm was considered slow.
I can't find the exact specs, but the engine in the U.S. Corolla GT-S put out ~115 hp @ ~7000 rpm and ~98 ft-lb of torque @ ~6000 rpm. Although they are far from heavy, they are not featherweights (2400-2500 lbs) and have too-tall gearing in 3rd thru 5th gears. Combine this with an engine that is gutless below 5000 rpm and you have a car that runs 0-60 is ~10 seconds and the 1/4 mile in ~18 seconds. Not exactly scorching.
The 86-89 Celica is significantly faster, even is base-engine form; it just doesn't handle as well and you can't drift it.
November-19th-2002, 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by carguycw
The 86-89 Celica is significantly faster, even is base-engine form; it just doesn't handle as well and you can't drift it.
The 86-89 Celica is significantly faster, even is base-engine form; it just doesn't handle as well and you can't drift it.
November-20th-2002, 12:15 AM
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Boy, do I have egg on my face. I saw RWD vs FWD, and drifting and just assumed Corolla.
However on the Celica, the RWD is definitely better for drifting. Hard to beat that big 4-cyl (22-RE) torque for stepping the rear out. And there are lots of hard parts for that engine (thanks to the 4wd pickups) to help it make HP too. Don't know if it is as good as the Hachi-roku (AE86 Corolla) for drifitng, but it would certainly be different.
I saw RWD vs FWD, and drifting and just assumed Corolla. However on the Celica, the RWD is definitely better for drifting. Hard to beat that big 4-cyl (22-RE) torque for stepping the rear out. And there are lots of hard parts for that engine (thanks to the 4wd pickups) to help it make HP too. Don't know if it is as good as the Hachi-roku (AE86 Corolla) for drifitng, but it would certainly be different.
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