Turbo Vs The Bottle
February-22nd-2003, 01:06 PM
#16
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Well i am Studying up on Nitrous and learning about how to do a custom setup. ...Not to many people in this forum really have gone w/ a custom setup!
where i will have a fuel pump just for nitrous or a fuel cell w/ Racing Fuel. But it's still a work in progress. So that when i am shooting the 2nd fuel pump will throw in more fuel! As everyone knows that if you put in racing fuel w/ turbo'd vehicles or nitrous vehicle you don't have to retaurd the fuel!
Chas
where i will have a fuel pump just for nitrous or a fuel cell w/ Racing Fuel. But it's still a work in progress. So that when i am shooting the 2nd fuel pump will throw in more fuel! As everyone knows that if you put in racing fuel w/ turbo'd vehicles or nitrous vehicle you don't have to retaurd the fuel!
Chas
February-22nd-2003, 03:23 PM
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That is true , but also make sure that your internals are strong , I know the FS motor was in the 626 , but I never really seen anyone doing to much heavy mods with them . so wheather the pistons and rods can stand up to the pressure that NOS will bring is kind of a mystery , (even for turbo) ... but I know mazda builds strong cars along with engines , so I would not doubt it would not be strong , but hey also look into strong pistons to ,, a good bottom end is the best to have you know .....
Bruce
Bruce
February-22nd-2003, 03:49 PM
#20
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hey also look into strong pistons to ,, a good bottom end is the best to have you know .....
I will not be going over a 75 shot w/ my nitrous kit! I will reach 200HP by adding a set of Headers, for better exhaust of the gas, new high flow cat, and a cold air intake by injen or custom!
Thanks for all the help..
Chas
March-5th-2003, 01:29 PM
#21
Jedi Master Yoda
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your dropping numbers of 160 hp for turbo and you at 200 hp.....i've got news for ya man that 160 hp that they are posting is HP at the WHEELS!!! your 200 will be at the crank so you might be a simdgin above the BEGI guys but look at teh Spool stage 3 kit 198 hp at the WHEELS not the crank thats about 240 at the crank man turbo will smoke your ***.
March-5th-2003, 02:25 PM
#22
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Chdesign, and Gro Harlem... Let it be know that with my new downpipe, and new exhuast with my J&S Safeguard hooked up, I pulled regularly on a tuned B20 Civic the other night....and I have an exhaust leak too! The B20 Civic will soon be boosted too, and then It will be my turn..
March-5th-2003, 03:46 PM
#23
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your dropping numbers of 160 hp for turbo and you at 200 hp.....i've got news for ya man that 160 hp that they are posting is HP at the WHEELS!!! your 200 will be at the crank so you might be a simdgin above the BEGI guys but look at teh Spool stage 3 kit 198 hp at the WHEELS not the crank thats about 240 at the crank man turbo will smoke your ***.
Price for Stage 2 $2795.00 usd
price for Stage 3 $ 900.00 usd
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$3695 Not including shipping!!
Not to mention..not including install...tuning time...dyno time...guages...turbo timers...Stand alone ECU...the list goes on and on and on!!
I am not downing Spool's turbo...But i am just stating the fact that it's cheaper to go the N20 Route...I am a college Student w/ a brand new car loan...
200 whp???? Suuurrreeee Your engine is about 100 whp now, with a 75 shot, you might see 160ish. Turbo guys, with just a couple add on mods will push 200 whp easily.
You won't be running any circles around anyone . Especially when you run out of NAWWWWZZ in your bottle.
:-)
Turbo is better b/c it is ALWAYS THERE. Nos is just kinda...uhh...how do you say... LAME.
It is only good if you run the 1/4 mile all the time. But street racing? bah!! When you turn and **** on the road, the sudden enormous boost of power will cause your wheels to spin during turns and will tear your clutch a new *******!! not very practical
These are not valid points you are bringing!!
Stop trying to Flame me b/c you guys are pissed that I am traveling the road less traveled!
Chdesign, and Gro Harlem... Let it be know that with my new downpipe, and new exhuast with my J&S Safeguard hooked up, I pulled regularly on a tuned B20 Civic the other night....and I have an exhaust leak too! The B20 Civic will soon be boosted too, and then It will be my turn..
March-5th-2003, 03:51 PM
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The J&S will help the spark out, but not like the MSD would. The benifit of the J&S is closed-loop knock control and the ability to execute this on individual cylinders. I must say it is working great for me!
More questions, let me know.
More questions, let me know.
March-5th-2003, 03:53 PM
#25
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Do you know anything about direct port injection??
If i can convert my NX Kit to a DP System??
I am not planning to do it now...but maybe in a year or so...
Aso..any idea's on a custom setup using a Fuel cell w/ racing fuel...and hooking up the fuel solenoid to it..so that I can run a larger shot??
Thanks
Chas
If i can convert my NX Kit to a DP System??
I am not planning to do it now...but maybe in a year or so...
Aso..any idea's on a custom setup using a Fuel cell w/ racing fuel...and hooking up the fuel solenoid to it..so that I can run a larger shot??
Thanks
Chas
March-5th-2003, 04:38 PM
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I think Patio is better qualified in this area than me.
You can find him easier at:
http://www.houston-imports.com/
You can find him easier at:http://www.houston-imports.com/
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March-6th-2003, 04:23 PM
#27
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... I use MSD to retard, 2, 3 or 4 degrees, depending on the shot I use (Hey Bruce, thanks for cited me!!!!!!!!!)
nitrous or turbos....
best bang for the buck nitrous, period. People keep saying turbo is there always... sorry I dont think you will be driving at boost all the time. Once I though I had blown my engine, it ended up that was something else, my engine is strong as always.
If you can afford to buy turbo, OH yes, dont even bother here with nitrous. But if you think 2900 (AT LEAST) bucks makes difference like someone said, then...
besides, custom turbos MUST be done VERY VERY well if you want a reliable car, a car that you can count on to drive every day.
AH, some may say, empty bottle... This may be relevant if you live far from a refill station otherwise, BS.
no ofense here, I love turbos, I wish I could have one, but I didnt find a manifold. But lets be realistic, nitrous is waaaaaaaaayyyy more for the price.
I could keep talking and talking about the advantages of nitrous but I will stop here by now.
later all
nitrous or turbos....
best bang for the buck nitrous, period. People keep saying turbo is there always... sorry I dont think you will be driving at boost all the time. Once I though I had blown my engine, it ended up that was something else, my engine is strong as always.
If you can afford to buy turbo, OH yes, dont even bother here with nitrous. But if you think 2900 (AT LEAST) bucks makes difference like someone said, then...
besides, custom turbos MUST be done VERY VERY well if you want a reliable car, a car that you can count on to drive every day.
AH, some may say, empty bottle... This may be relevant if you live far from a refill station otherwise, BS.
no ofense here, I love turbos, I wish I could have one, but I didnt find a manifold. But lets be realistic, nitrous is waaaaaaaaayyyy more for the price.
I could keep talking and talking about the advantages of nitrous but I will stop here by now.
later all
March-6th-2003, 04:36 PM
#28
Jedi Master Yoda
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I'm not saying turbo is more effective than Nitrous I just like it better I've been down teh Nitrous road and i knwo what its like. I'm just also saying that around her eI have seen alot more people blow motors from Nitrous than I have turbo and there are alot of turboed cars here. As for my setup I've only got maybe 2 G's in it so a turbo setup can be done for not too much. Also to answer your question yes you could convert your single fogger kti to a direct port but it will probably cost you another 500 bucks for all the parts and to get it installed right. A good direct port setup woudl work well but I still don't like laughing gas it blows motors I dont' care how safe people say it is.
March-6th-2003, 05:20 PM
#29
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turbos are safer because it kicks in gradually, dont need MSD switch on/off like nitrous does. People blow motors because they do not respect the basic rules of nitrous. I remember people blowing engines like crazy in my town with turbos when it wasnt so common there. Just like nitrous they used to add 20 psi of boost into a 1.5L stock engine ! Now people know the rules and limits. same with nitrous. Learn how to use, obey the rules and be happy. I also love turbos, I believe you can do a kick *** set up for less than 2G, but nitrous are still cheaper.
peace,
peace,
March-6th-2003, 05:43 PM
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I don't think MSD will be making one for 3rd gen protege's...they say that there is some sort of fuse that prevents them from being able to adjust timing...
I think i will wait on direct port until i get some more mods done...For $500 i can get a new clutch and flywheel...or intake/exhaust cams...or better yet...a nice set of custom headers!!
I think i will wait on direct port until i get some more mods done...For $500 i can get a new clutch and flywheel...or intake/exhaust cams...or better yet...a nice set of custom headers!!