sway bars?
April-7th-2003, 07:06 PM
#16
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actually, the stiffness is directly related to the thickness of the
bar. some bars (not sure if for protege's) offer 3 holes where
you mount the endlinks. that provides adjustability from say
17-19-21mm. but the AWR's adjustability seems to be in the
endlink not in the bar itself. this ill find out when i get it. but
i only wanted the 19mm setting so its fine.
the endlinks do come with the adjustable 19mm bar according
to Mitch. the additional endlink pair is (according to mitch) if
you were to buy MP3 struts you would use them on the front
endlinks to be able to mount the front sway bar.
i should be getting it by hopefuly friday so after i install it
ill let you guys know from actual experience.
bar. some bars (not sure if for protege's) offer 3 holes where
you mount the endlinks. that provides adjustability from say
17-19-21mm. but the AWR's adjustability seems to be in the
endlink not in the bar itself. this ill find out when i get it. but
i only wanted the 19mm setting so its fine.
the endlinks do come with the adjustable 19mm bar according
to Mitch. the additional endlink pair is (according to mitch) if
you were to buy MP3 struts you would use them on the front
endlinks to be able to mount the front sway bar.
i should be getting it by hopefuly friday so after i install it
ill let you guys know from actual experience.
April-7th-2003, 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by carguycw
Huh? The bar's diameter is the main factor that determines its stiffness. What exactly are you saying?
Huh? The bar's diameter is the main factor that determines its stiffness. What exactly are you saying?
What I meant in this case is that you cannot say that a bar on a setting 21mm if the bar is only 19mm in diameter. The bar is 19mm, it cant be 21mm. So at its stiffest setting, it will act like a 19mm (hollow) swaybar and any softer setting will just be a softer setting and not be called 18mm, 17mm, etc.
Since the stiffness is based on more than the diameter, you can't just say a bar is a stiffness level of 18mm. It makes no sense in my mind.
April-7th-2003, 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by kenchan
the endlinks do come with the adjustable 19mm bar according
to Mitch. the additional endlink pair is (according to mitch) if
you were to buy MP3 struts you would use them on the front
endlinks to be able to mount the front sway bar.
i should be getting it by hopefuly friday so after i install it
ill let you guys know from actual experience.
the endlinks do come with the adjustable 19mm bar according
to Mitch. the additional endlink pair is (according to mitch) if
you were to buy MP3 struts you would use them on the front
endlinks to be able to mount the front sway bar.
i should be getting it by hopefuly friday so after i install it
ill let you guys know from actual experience.
April-8th-2003, 12:43 AM
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yah, until i see this thing and try it out for myself, i really cant
say what im going to get. ive heard that the rear endlink
could be use on the front when the MP3 shocks are used...
but this is only hearsay as well and not prooven.
the adjustable strut bars that i have on my other car
has different settings where it will simulate a 17 19 21 mm
setting, for example. the bar itself is 19 but depending on
where the endlinks are mounted ( 3 different holes) you can
change the rate.
say what im going to get. ive heard that the rear endlink
could be use on the front when the MP3 shocks are used...
but this is only hearsay as well and not prooven.
the adjustable strut bars that i have on my other car
has different settings where it will simulate a 17 19 21 mm
setting, for example. the bar itself is 19 but depending on
where the endlinks are mounted ( 3 different holes) you can
change the rate.
April-8th-2003, 09:36 AM
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PseudoRealityX - thanx for the info. so i am assuming that
there are several holes on the endlink (to simulate 17, 19, 21?
settings) and not on the bar.
is my understanding correct?
also, do you know the limits of the adj 19mm bar?
Is it 17 - 21 mm or 18-20mm ? I just want it a tad
stiffer than stock but not too much cause im just using
junk nitto NT450's and dont want my car spinning out
taking on a fast corner in the rain.
there are several holes on the endlink (to simulate 17, 19, 21?
settings) and not on the bar.
is my understanding correct?
also, do you know the limits of the adj 19mm bar?
Is it 17 - 21 mm or 18-20mm ? I just want it a tad
stiffer than stock but not too much cause im just using
junk nitto NT450's and dont want my car spinning out
taking on a fast corner in the rain.
April-8th-2003, 12:25 PM
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humm...very gray area that is since people driving other cars would argue to that statement...but i'll take your word for it
as im no tech-head and play trial and error on my cars until
its dialed in for my driving.
the nt450's are fine for the kind of driving i do on the pro5.
i dont plan to race or anything with this car just want to
stiffen up the loose-ends of the car to make it right. just
fixing the soft spots.
as im no tech-head and play trial and error on my cars until
its dialed in for my driving.
the nt450's are fine for the kind of driving i do on the pro5.
i dont plan to race or anything with this car just want to
stiffen up the loose-ends of the car to make it right. just
fixing the soft spots.
April-8th-2003, 05:56 PM
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From what I'm to understand, the AWR 19mm rear sway bar that I ordedred from Mitch as well 
has two sets of endlink mounting points. He suggested I get the adjustable endlinks as well, but I passed due to the fact I don't race, and want exactly what kenchan is looking for.... a bit more "driftability" from the rear end. Endlinks mounted at the furthest "fulcrum" point on the bar will produce 19mm bar effects. Mount the endlinks further inward, the bar acts more like a 21mm (correct me here if I'm wrong.)
http://www.awrracing.com/pages/pro/prosway.html
One of the suspension upgrades I did on my previous WRX wagon was a 19mm rear sway bar (it was cheap, as it was OE on the sedan.) The wagon came with 16mm. This alone, made a huge difference. Really brought the car where it should have been from the factory, IMHO.
Hope to see my AWR bar this week as well. Write up with comments to follow.....
HTH - Jim
has two sets of endlink mounting points. He suggested I get the adjustable endlinks as well, but I passed due to the fact I don't race, and want exactly what kenchan is looking for.... a bit more "driftability" from the rear end. Endlinks mounted at the furthest "fulcrum" point on the bar will produce 19mm bar effects. Mount the endlinks further inward, the bar acts more like a 21mm (correct me here if I'm wrong.)http://www.awrracing.com/pages/pro/prosway.html
One of the suspension upgrades I did on my previous WRX wagon was a 19mm rear sway bar (it was cheap, as it was OE on the sedan.) The wagon came with 16mm. This alone, made a huge difference. Really brought the car where it should have been from the factory, IMHO.
Hope to see my AWR bar this week as well. Write up with comments to follow.....
HTH - Jim
April-8th-2003, 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
No, it'll act like a 19mm bar with a shorter torque arm....that's all.
No, it'll act like a 19mm bar with a shorter torque arm....that's all.
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April-9th-2003, 10:27 AM
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mackdaddy- thanx for the info. i too have a WRX myself which is my weekend car and it's using the whiteline adjustable
rear swaybar along with TEIN's and Cusco towerbars..not to
forget SSR comps with S03's mounted (now that people are
beginning to wonder about my experience with tires) ...as u probably know they are adjustable from 20-22-24mm settings. the bar itself is 22mm.
im not sure why some of these guys are like this but as you
said, the AWR bar is a 19mm which could also 'simulate' a 21mm setting if you were to use the other hole. this was the info i
was looking for.
"No, it'll act like a 19mm bar with a shorter torque arm"
no duh! hahaha. j/k i know THAT, I wanted to know as a reference what mm setting that would be close to if i was to use the other hole. Then i would know if i need to go even thicker
on the bar if the 19mm was not enough.
the adjustability factor is measured in mm just as a reference,
that's all.... i do not need to be reminded of the exact technical definition of it. hahaha. not to be harsh or anything just
pointing out that i just need a reference point to make my
adjustments if necessary.
rear swaybar along with TEIN's and Cusco towerbars..not to
forget SSR comps with S03's mounted (now that people are
beginning to wonder about my experience with tires) ...as u probably know they are adjustable from 20-22-24mm settings. the bar itself is 22mm.
im not sure why some of these guys are like this but as you
said, the AWR bar is a 19mm which could also 'simulate' a 21mm setting if you were to use the other hole. this was the info i
was looking for.
"No, it'll act like a 19mm bar with a shorter torque arm"
no duh! hahaha.
j/k i know THAT, I wanted to know as a reference what mm setting that would be close to if i was to use the other hole. Then i would know if i need to go even thickeron the bar if the 19mm was not enough.
the adjustability factor is measured in mm just as a reference,
that's all.... i do not need to be reminded of the exact technical definition of it. hahaha.
not to be harsh or anything justpointing out that i just need a reference point to make my
adjustments if necessary.
April-10th-2003, 11:18 AM
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OK I have been reading this post with much interest. On my previous car which was a 99 miata the sway bar upgrade was by far the most satisfying mod I did. And the thing I miss most about that car was the "tossability" of the car because it had wild crazy oversteer which is sorely missing on the P5 (dur its fwd). So here is my question ---- What stock bar fits the P5 as an upgrade? I called my dealer yesterday and was told I could by the one off of the Mazdaspeed Protege endlinks, bushings and all for less than $160. Does this fit my car and is it the bigger 19 mm bar referred to way back at the beginning of this thread? Ok technically that is more than one question but have at it.
Tim
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April-10th-2003, 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by timp5
OK I have been reading this post with much interest. On my previous car which was a 99 miata the sway bar upgrade was by far the most satisfying mod I did. And the thing I miss most about that car was the "tossability" of the car because it had wild crazy oversteer which is sorely missing on the P5 (dur its fwd). So here is my question ---- What stock bar fits the P5 as an upgrade? I called my dealer yesterday and was told I could by the one off of the Mazdaspeed Protege endlinks, bushings and all for less than $160. Does this fit my car and is it the bigger 19 mm bar referred to way back at the beginning of this thread? Ok technically that is more than one question but have at it.
Tim
OK I have been reading this post with much interest. On my previous car which was a 99 miata the sway bar upgrade was by far the most satisfying mod I did. And the thing I miss most about that car was the "tossability" of the car because it had wild crazy oversteer which is sorely missing on the P5 (dur its fwd). So here is my question ---- What stock bar fits the P5 as an upgrade? I called my dealer yesterday and was told I could by the one off of the Mazdaspeed Protege endlinks, bushings and all for less than $160. Does this fit my car and is it the bigger 19 mm bar referred to way back at the beginning of this thread? Ok technically that is more than one question but have at it.
Tim
April-10th-2003, 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by timp5
OK I have been reading this post with much interest. On my previous car which was a 99 miata the sway bar upgrade was by far the most satisfying mod I did. And the thing I miss most about that car was the "tossability" of the car because it had wild crazy oversteer which is sorely missing on the P5 (dur its fwd). So here is my question ---- What stock bar fits the P5 as an upgrade? I called my dealer yesterday and was told I could by the one off of the Mazdaspeed Protege endlinks, bushings and all for less than $160. Does this fit my car and is it the bigger 19 mm bar referred to way back at the beginning of this thread? Ok technically that is more than one question but have at it.
Tim
OK I have been reading this post with much interest. On my previous car which was a 99 miata the sway bar upgrade was by far the most satisfying mod I did. And the thing I miss most about that car was the "tossability" of the car because it had wild crazy oversteer which is sorely missing on the P5 (dur its fwd). So here is my question ---- What stock bar fits the P5 as an upgrade? I called my dealer yesterday and was told I could by the one off of the Mazdaspeed Protege endlinks, bushings and all for less than $160. Does this fit my car and is it the bigger 19 mm bar referred to way back at the beginning of this thread? Ok technically that is more than one question but have at it.
Tim
I believe the MSP rear sway bar is 22mm diameter.
again, I would suggest getting either one of the AWR kits, as these are designed to fit on the stock rear crossmember.
April-10th-2003, 04:04 PM
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Thanks for the welcome! Happy to be here. Anyway the quote was for the bar,links and bushings but no crossmember. If that is involved I dont think I will go that route. Does anybody have the AWR bar with a lowered car? Mine has a 2" inch drop and I sure would hate to hang much lower underneath. The search continues.
Tim
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