Brake upgrades (3rd Gen)
November-13th-2001, 10:33 PM
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Big Brake Kit? 3rd Gen
If you look at www.hpracing.com and look under brakes you can see that they have a kit for the 626. Now I have seen that the 626 rotors can be interchanged with the 3rd gen pro's. Does anyone know if this kit would fit the 3rd gen pro? Would you have to get the calipers and would the relocation kit work? I will e-mail hp racing, but thought I would post this to see what you guys think.
November-14th-2001, 12:07 AM
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Stop-Tech
Stop-Tech already makes a big brake kit for the MP-3's and the Pro-5. Including rear kits and rear cross drilled or slotted rotors. Check them out at www.stoptech.com They outfitted the Wings West Protege at SEMA.
November-14th-2001, 07:23 AM
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Re: Stop-Tech
Originally posted by Mac Daddy
Stop-Tech already makes a big brake kit for the MP-3's and the Pro-5. Including rear kits and rear cross drilled or slotted rotors. Check them out at www.stoptech.com They outfitted the Wings West Protege at SEMA.
Stop-Tech already makes a big brake kit for the MP-3's and the Pro-5. Including rear kits and rear cross drilled or slotted rotors. Check them out at www.stoptech.com They outfitted the Wings West Protege at SEMA.
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November-14th-2001, 10:28 AM
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Re: Big Brake Kit? 3rd Gen
I believe I started the rumor about the possibility of swapping the brakes from the 626/MX-6 to the Protege. I was wrong, the size of the hubs is different, so that will not work. Unless the hubs could be changed also... 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MP3-Owner
[B]If you look at www.hpracing.com and look under brakes you can see that they have a kit for the 626. Now I have seen that the 626 rotors can be interchanged with the 3rd gen pro's.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MP3-Owner
[B]If you look at www.hpracing.com and look under brakes you can see that they have a kit for the 626. Now I have seen that the 626 rotors can be interchanged with the 3rd gen pro's.
November-14th-2001, 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
i bring up the point that will NOT be able to stop any faster from most speeds with this kit. Braking has more to do with the tires than the brakes.
i bring up the point that will NOT be able to stop any faster from most speeds with this kit. Braking has more to do with the tires than the brakes.
November-14th-2001, 08:27 PM
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I kind of just like the look it gives...stoping faster or cooling better are just extra's 
I know there is more to stoping but I will make this one of my last upgrades after I get all of the go fast parts. Then I will go for the Look! Thx for your responses
I know there is more to stoping but I will make this one of my last upgrades after I get all of the go fast parts. Then I will go for the Look! Thx for your responses
November-14th-2001, 08:29 PM
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Re: Re: Big Brake Kit? 3rd Gen
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eric F
[B]I believe I started the rumor about the possibility of swapping the brakes from the 626/MX-6 to the Protege. I was wrong, the size of the hubs is different, so that will not work. Unless the hubs could be changed also...
This is also in the FAQ, but I guess that it is possible if you want to spend the money eh?
[B]I believe I started the rumor about the possibility of swapping the brakes from the 626/MX-6 to the Protege. I was wrong, the size of the hubs is different, so that will not work. Unless the hubs could be changed also...
This is also in the FAQ, but I guess that it is possible if you want to spend the money eh?
November-14th-2001, 08:42 PM
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Vented, Cross-Drilled,and Slotted. Oh My!!!
On a street driven car that does occasional autocrossing, what pad and disc combo work best? Are slotted and drilled discs practical on the street? I've heard that drilled rotors tend to warp easily, while slotted chew up pads. Any experienced racers know much about this?
November-15th-2001, 01:27 AM
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If interested in the stoptech kit let me know. I will be finding out the price tommorrow. Then I can put together pricing specifically for the forum members. I have an account and met them at SEMA as well.
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November-21st-2001, 02:35 PM
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performance shoes? (3rd GEN)
hey all,
Does anyone know of a company selling performance brake shoes for the rear drums (2000 ES). So far, all I have found is that Carbotech can reline a pair of stock shoes with any of their compounds for $89. I'm autocrossing and daily driving the car. I picked the Hawk HP+ pads for the front. Now I just need a good matching pair for the rear.
I fell kinda stupid asking this, but this is the first car I've owned that has drum brakes! Is there anything special I need to know about installing brake shoes? Any special adjustments or is it fairly straight forward?
Thanks
Does anyone know of a company selling performance brake shoes for the rear drums (2000 ES). So far, all I have found is that Carbotech can reline a pair of stock shoes with any of their compounds for $89. I'm autocrossing and daily driving the car. I picked the Hawk HP+ pads for the front. Now I just need a good matching pair for the rear.
I fell kinda stupid asking this, but this is the first car I've owned that has drum brakes! Is there anything special I need to know about installing brake shoes? Any special adjustments or is it fairly straight forward?
Thanks
November-24th-2001, 05:26 AM
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Cross drilled and slotted rotors are a trade off in terms of performance. The added ventilation is somewhat offset by the reduced metal mass of the rotor. Poor designs with too large or too many holes can cause cross drilled rotors to crack, but well designed, cross drilled rotors should be fine. Cadmium plating helps prevent metal fatigue due to corrosion as well. Under some conditions, cross drilled or slotted rotors can aid braking efficiency by allowing gasses produced by brake pads to escape better than standard rotors.
The tires are one of the most important aspects of the cars performance in several areas, including braking. The are the only part of the vehicle making contact with the ground (hopefully!), so they obviously have a great effect on acceleration, braking, and lateral acceleration.
I disagree that the Protégés engine power has that much to do with your braking performance. The vehicles weight and the speed it's traveling are more important. You can lock the stock brakes at 20 mph, but what about 80mph? How difficult is it to lock the brakes at higher speeds? Does that affect how easy it is to control them? I think so. Personally, I think the stock Protégé brakes could use plenty of improvement. This could be done with pads, or with an upgrade to the rotors, calipers, and pads for a more drastic improvement. Some high performance pads are designed to operate at higher temperature levels, but certainly not all of them. If you are honest about how you will be driving your car most of the time, and you do some research to find performance pads that are designed to work in the temperature range your brake operate in, you can significantly improve your brakes performance with them. I've driven many other cars that required less effort/pedal travel to stop the car, and find that much easier to modulate the brakes and control the braking of the car. Similar feeling to the confidence having a supportive driving seat gives you with high cornering speeds.
The tires are one of the most important aspects of the cars performance in several areas, including braking. The are the only part of the vehicle making contact with the ground (hopefully!), so they obviously have a great effect on acceleration, braking, and lateral acceleration.
I disagree that the Protégés engine power has that much to do with your braking performance. The vehicles weight and the speed it's traveling are more important. You can lock the stock brakes at 20 mph, but what about 80mph? How difficult is it to lock the brakes at higher speeds? Does that affect how easy it is to control them? I think so. Personally, I think the stock Protégé brakes could use plenty of improvement. This could be done with pads, or with an upgrade to the rotors, calipers, and pads for a more drastic improvement. Some high performance pads are designed to operate at higher temperature levels, but certainly not all of them. If you are honest about how you will be driving your car most of the time, and you do some research to find performance pads that are designed to work in the temperature range your brake operate in, you can significantly improve your brakes performance with them. I've driven many other cars that required less effort/pedal travel to stop the car, and find that much easier to modulate the brakes and control the braking of the car. Similar feeling to the confidence having a supportive driving seat gives you with high cornering speeds.