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Short Shifter?

Old Mar 14, 2003 | 01:12 PM
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No offence, but the protege shifts very easy with the exstension removed, my 115lb girlfriend can powershift it still. Come on lets not talk about it being hard to shift unless you have polio or something. No it doesn't change the fulcrum of the shift point but its free! Thats all I was trying to say, I know you like to blow your money but I was just trying to help. I had more fun spending that money for a b&m shift hit of my FS-ZE cams. We can see if your shifting advantage can overtake my top end gain? Hope somebody finds use in this other than a place to argue uselessly.

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Old Mar 14, 2003 | 01:27 PM
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ok...im done arguing, this just goes to show that people have different opinions on what they like, and i cant legitimately say that you are wrong for liking your shifter the way it is, which is fine. and by the same token you have said "i know you like to blow your money", which is true. but we can both agree that the stock shifter is too high, so lets just leave it at that and walk away.....no more fighting
Old Mar 14, 2003 | 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by KYREDP5


Your hand moves less yes. But the shifter linkage moves exactly the same distance as it did before. It does not make you shift any faster. Your hand will move faster but that is all that will be faster. Just think about it. Your only making the shift require more effort.
what??

shortening the stock shifter will decrease leverage, which will make it harder to shift. At the same time it decreases the amount of distance the top end of the shifter must travel to select each gear, there by shortening the throw...
Old Mar 14, 2003 | 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by mp3wannabe
a short shift kit moves the fulcrum (i think thats the right word) to a position that gives you a much shorter distance for the **** to travel, but a similar amount of effort. it allows you to shift quicker because you dont need to move the shifter as far.
I am not trying to argue either, just trying to clear some things up. An aftermarket shifter will be longer under the fulcrum and shorter above it than the stock piece. The shorter the part under fulcrum and longer on top, the more the leverage, which is one reason the stock shifter IS much easier than any aftermarket shifter to select gears...The aftermarket shifter allows you to shift faster, with more effort becuase the leverage is gone...
Old Mar 14, 2003 | 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by KYREDP5


Your hand moves less yes. But the shifter linkage moves exactly the same distance as it did before. It does not make you shift any faster. Your hand will move faster but that is all that will be faster. Just think about it. Your only making the shift require more effort.
yes, that may be correct, but the argument at hand was that by removing the extension it does in fact shorten the throw, which it does... both you and mp3wannabe tried to state that it does not; but i believe your argument was slightly twisted, meaning that you were arguing something other than what you stated...

Old Mar 14, 2003 | 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by mp3wannabe
ok...im done arguing, this just goes to show that people have different opinions on what they like, and i cant legitimately say that you are wrong for liking your shifter the way it is, which is fine. and by the same token you have said "i know you like to blow your money", which is true. but we can both agree that the stock shifter is too high, so lets just leave it at that and walk away.....no more fighting
i understand that you dont want to argue but look back at your previous post...
Originally posted by mp3wannabe
anyways, back to topic, removing the extension makes the shift **** lower, but does not reduce the throw, which is the main point of a short shifter.
it does in fact shorten the throw of your shifts, there is no denying that... and that is what we are/were arguing here...
Old Mar 14, 2003 | 09:03 PM
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shifter

yes they do
b&m make a nice 30% less throw shifter

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Old Mar 14, 2003 | 10:14 PM
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so which one?

out of the karboy, b&m, and twm, which one is the most popular? which do you prefer and why? thanks
Old Mar 15, 2003 | 07:25 PM
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just my .02, but my B & M short shifter is a great value in increasing drivability and "fun Quotient" of this car. I can't believe the difference it makes. I am sure the Kart Boy shifter would offer the same kind of improvement...
Old Mar 15, 2003 | 07:37 PM
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i agree !

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Old Mar 15, 2003 | 07:38 PM
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Re: so which one?

Originally posted by capn_krotch
out of the karboy, b&m, and twm, which one is the most popular? which do you prefer and why? thanks
You may want to post a poll for this.

I've only ever used factory and Kartboy (w/bushing) and I quite enjoy it (Kartboy, not factory ).
Old Mar 15, 2003 | 08:04 PM
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Old Mar 16, 2003 | 02:04 AM
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yeah, i have a feeling you are not going to get very many "i tried several options" posts with this. people tend to buy the one that they can:
a) get the best deal on, speaking of which anyone looking at a ss should go here
b) the one they saw everyone else has.

in this case I think you are pretty much only going to see b&m or kartboy. i personally like the kartboy because it is more economical for my budget, and you can get the bushings which are key.
Old Mar 16, 2003 | 01:20 PM
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