Hi guys,

I am just wondering that if a Pro. 2.0L, Pro. 1.8L and a P5 race who would wins. I have seen a Pro. 1.8L (5 speed) stock bet a Pro 2.0L (5 speed stock) a few times. but what about the p5.

 

if a pro 1.8 beat a pro 2.0, then most likely it will beat a P5 also.


Both the 1.8 and 2.0 engine are close in power. It will be a race between the drivers, not the car.

 

yeah stock for stock the FP powered car would win, but for more reasons than just the engine...Search for the differences of the engines. But the FP can't match the lowend torque of the FS-DE, so pulling around town the FS will grunt better...just fizzle at high rpm...

 

Last year I raced a 2.0 Protege with my 1st gen 1.8 I smoked him badly but his car was auto and my car is manual
That probably made a big difference

 

i just beat a P5 last friday.... well not beat ... i kept up with him, cuz i missed damn third gear ....

but even with missing third i styll kept up with him, was pulling away from him too , den i miss 3rd... sucks ... but ye if i hadn't missed 3rd i woulda beat him

 

wonder how the 1.8BP would perform against the 1.8 3rd gen and the 2.0

Bruce

I honestly think the BP is the strongest out of all 3

 

that is what I figured, the 1st and 2nd gens are the lightest of the bunch

 

My cousin's 97 Civic LX can too... I was only refering to daily street use. That being the FS-DE will feel like it tugs harder around town than a FP...I think this was Mazda's intention for the FS-DE in the first place. Not all potential Protege buyers are interested in winding the engine out, but rather usable lowend torque...I havn't seen dyno's for the two stock engine's side by side, so I could be wrong...But I agree the FP has adequate torque too, just not quite as much grunt as low as the FS's. This again is only based on driving a FP briefly...So correct me if I am wrong...

 

cars are getting heavier...it's sad. Once I can pay for insurance, I'm getting a Miata...2000 lbs. I'm a big fan of light little cars. I test drove a '96 1.8L Miata the other day...I want one!!!

 

FWIW the 2nd-gen ES isn't quite that light either. The sunroof ES that C&D tested in November 1994 weighed in at 2,613 lbs, which is significantly heavier than a 90-94 LX in equivalent trim although not as porky as a 2001+ 2.0L. This is not too surprising because the 2nd-gen is a slightly larger car than a 1st-gen.

The weight of a 99-00 ES is slightly LOWER than an equivalent 2nd-gen due to clever weight shaving by Mazda, primarily the substitution of the smaller, lighter FP-DE for the big, ultra-reinforced BP. Unfortunately, Mazda undid their weight savings by slathering the 01+ in sound deadening.

 

well yeah, I guess the '96 was just over 2000lbs...and it's really disappointing how heavy the new Miata is--2400 lbs? doesn't sound like the Lotus that inspired it to me.

...I haven't test driven the MR Spyder...I wonder if the sequential 6-speed is funner than the classic stick? Might have to look at those too. It's a shame that VWs are so heavy now too...the 1.8T is such a sexy engine.

 

the sucker pictured below , has no sunroof , no power windows , no power locks , no power release trunk ,
shoot I am surprised they even put a engine in it .... or did they

 

I gotta choose the BP. Those things can move and shake pretty damn well even in stock form. Besides, lets not forget which PROTEGE engine was the only one besides the MAZDASPEED to come boosted from the factory.

Adam
91 LX