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July-12th-2002, 03:07 PM
#31
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Originally posted by DodgeRT99
Your statement that the SRT4 will have crude handling is very misguiding. First off, the SRT4 will be based on the Neon ACR suspension set up, and will be improved from that setup. Oh, and the ACR suspension setup has been championship caliber for the past several years as Neon's have dominated SCCA Class C as well as auto cross events. Not to mention, even ordinary Neons handle fantastic. Eh, drive the car before you judge it. I'm not about to judge the Protege's handling, although I hear it's very good to. Besides, SRT4 rally cars are out already and they are doing rather well too.
As for mad torque steer, people that have actually driven the car as well as other sources who have reviewed it, as well as from Dodge itself, says that torque steer is kept at a minimal because the SRT4 will have equal length halfshafts.
And besides, I think the SRT4 would rank just a tad higher on that poll. Come on now buddy, lose your Neon hatred, the performance is mindblowing for a car UNDER 20,000.
Just felt like I should correct a few misunderstandings.
Good luck with your Protege, the new models are wicked looking.
Your statement that the SRT4 will have crude handling is very misguiding. First off, the SRT4 will be based on the Neon ACR suspension set up, and will be improved from that setup. Oh, and the ACR suspension setup has been championship caliber for the past several years as Neon's have dominated SCCA Class C as well as auto cross events. Not to mention, even ordinary Neons handle fantastic. Eh, drive the car before you judge it. I'm not about to judge the Protege's handling, although I hear it's very good to. Besides, SRT4 rally cars are out already and they are doing rather well too.
As for mad torque steer, people that have actually driven the car as well as other sources who have reviewed it, as well as from Dodge itself, says that torque steer is kept at a minimal because the SRT4 will have equal length halfshafts.
And besides, I think the SRT4 would rank just a tad higher on that poll. Come on now buddy, lose your Neon hatred, the performance is mindblowing for a car UNDER 20,000.
Just felt like I should correct a few misunderstandings.
Good luck with your Protege, the new models are wicked looking.
But I have great expectations for the MS pro, too. It may not have as much HP when it comes out, but it'll still be a damn impressive car.
July-12th-2002, 03:29 PM
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With the advent of the MazdaSpeed Protege and it's rival the Dodge SRT-4, we will have to keep a close eye on both cars. Given the the history of aftermarket and manufacturer involvement, the Dodge SRT-4 looks like it will be an overall easier platform to 'Rice' than the MazdaSpeed Proteges.
I wouldn't be suprised if one of the magazines did a comparison with the MazdaSpeed Protege and the Dodge Neon SRT-4. I am sure that Mazda is aware of this competitor, and I just hope that Mazda will make an effort to gain an upper hand in this arena. Given the financial strength of both companies, I would probably say that Dodge would win the battle in the end.
The nice thing about the Proteges though, is that with the BEGI turbo kit to be released soon (hopefully before the release of the SRT-4) we can see close to the same output as the Neon SRT-4. Namely, we can spend the difference in price between the Proteges and the SRT-4 and get the same HP output.
The nice thing about aftermarket turbo vs. stock turbo is that we will be paying a lower premium on insurance. If we don't win on the street, we will definetely win in the pocketbook!
I wouldn't be suprised if one of the magazines did a comparison with the MazdaSpeed Protege and the Dodge Neon SRT-4. I am sure that Mazda is aware of this competitor, and I just hope that Mazda will make an effort to gain an upper hand in this arena. Given the financial strength of both companies, I would probably say that Dodge would win the battle in the end.
The nice thing about the Proteges though, is that with the BEGI turbo kit to be released soon (hopefully before the release of the SRT-4) we can see close to the same output as the Neon SRT-4. Namely, we can spend the difference in price between the Proteges and the SRT-4 and get the same HP output.
The nice thing about aftermarket turbo vs. stock turbo is that we will be paying a lower premium on insurance. If we don't win on the street, we will definetely win in the pocketbook!
July-12th-2002, 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by zeriak
With the advent of the MazdaSpeed Protege and it's rival the Dodge SRT-4, we will have to keep a close eye on both cars. Given the the history of aftermarket and manufacturer involvement, the Dodge SRT-4 looks like it will be an overall easier platform to 'Rice' than the MazdaSpeed Proteges.
I wouldn't be suprised if one of the magazines did a comparison with the MazdaSpeed Protege and the Dodge Neon SRT-4. I am sure that Mazda is aware of this competitor, and I just hope that Mazda will make an effort to gain an upper hand in this arena. Given the financial strength of both companies, I would probably say that Dodge would win the battle in the end.
The nice thing about the Proteges though, is that with the BEGI turbo kit to be released soon (hopefully before the release of the SRT-4) we can see close to the same output as the Neon SRT-4. Namely, we can spend the difference in price between the Proteges and the SRT-4 and get the same HP output.
The nice thing about aftermarket turbo vs. stock turbo is that we will be paying a lower premium on insurance. If we don't win on the street, we will definetely win in the pocketbook!
With the advent of the MazdaSpeed Protege and it's rival the Dodge SRT-4, we will have to keep a close eye on both cars. Given the the history of aftermarket and manufacturer involvement, the Dodge SRT-4 looks like it will be an overall easier platform to 'Rice' than the MazdaSpeed Proteges.
I wouldn't be suprised if one of the magazines did a comparison with the MazdaSpeed Protege and the Dodge Neon SRT-4. I am sure that Mazda is aware of this competitor, and I just hope that Mazda will make an effort to gain an upper hand in this arena. Given the financial strength of both companies, I would probably say that Dodge would win the battle in the end.
The nice thing about the Proteges though, is that with the BEGI turbo kit to be released soon (hopefully before the release of the SRT-4) we can see close to the same output as the Neon SRT-4. Namely, we can spend the difference in price between the Proteges and the SRT-4 and get the same HP output.
The nice thing about aftermarket turbo vs. stock turbo is that we will be paying a lower premium on insurance. If we don't win on the street, we will definetely win in the pocketbook!
These cars are going to have warranty's from the factory, which will be nice. The insurance thing IS awfully cool, though 
July-12th-2002, 04:21 PM
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5.9 sec 0-60? With street tires?From 205 hp?They gotta be kidding-they must have switched stopwatch on after it did burnout through first 2 gears and finally got some grip.
Saab Viggen FWD 13,6 lb/hp, 0-60 in 6.7
neon FWD 13.29 lb/hp 0-60 in 5.9???
Alex
Saab Viggen FWD 13,6 lb/hp, 0-60 in 6.7
neon FWD 13.29 lb/hp 0-60 in 5.9???
Alex
July-12th-2002, 05:30 PM
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I think 5.9 is a little optimistic, but still doable. Depending on any turbo lag, there may be little low-end torque and less chance of wheelspin at launch. Or there could be mad low-end grunt, and they could just feather the gas until it was moving fast enough?
A little optimistic, but doable.
A little optimistic, but doable.
July-12th-2002, 05:39 PM
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From http://www.allpar.com/neon/neon-srt-4.html
Production of the Dodge SRT-4 is scheduled to start in the spring of 2003 at the Belvidere (Ill.)... About 5,000 are scheduled to be built.
Only 5 000 being built...good luck trying to find one...
...$20 000 USD...my @ss...the mark-up will take the car WELL out of a comparable league to our cars...
Production of the Dodge SRT-4 is scheduled to start in the spring of 2003 at the Belvidere (Ill.)... About 5,000 are scheduled to be built.
Only 5 000 being built...good luck trying to find one...
...$20 000 USD...my @ss...the mark-up will take the car WELL out of a comparable league to our cars...
Last edited by 4 rubBeR; July-12th-2002 at 05:42 PM.
July-12th-2002, 05:52 PM
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Just be reasonable-take eclipse gs-t with 2 liter turbo and AWD "barely" manages it in 6.4 seconds. Don't tell me about torgue-it's not VTEC vs turbo, it's 2 liter turbo vs 2 liter turbo.
Saab Viggen has shitload more torgue than neon, and max is available at 1900 rpm(vs neons 2000rpm)
Again it's 2 liter turbo against 2 liter turbo.
5.9 second is doable-with rolling start or slicks.
Alex
Saab Viggen has shitload more torgue than neon, and max is available at 1900 rpm(vs neons 2000rpm)
Again it's 2 liter turbo against 2 liter turbo.
5.9 second is doable-with rolling start or slicks.
Alex
July-12th-2002, 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by 4 rubBeR
From http://www.allpar.com/neon/neon-srt-4.html
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Only 5 000 being built...good luck trying to find one... ...$20 000 USD...my @ss...the mark-up will take the car WELL out of a comparable league to our cars...
From http://www.allpar.com/neon/neon-srt-4.html
<snip>
Only 5 000 being built...good luck trying to find one...
...$20 000 USD...my @ss...the mark-up will take the car WELL out of a comparable league to our cars...
July-12th-2002, 06:10 PM
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re:
i look at it this way yeah the car is fast but its ugly our cars not all that fast but looks better. and two sho cares about 5.9sec. do what i did make your P5 as fast as you can afford and look as good as possible which you really dont have to do much too, then buy you a bike like mine preferrably 03 R1 (yamaha) and who cars if it does 0-60 in 5.9 sec. who cares if it does 1/4 in 13sec. you'll still smoke it on any day of the week. but thats just my op.
July-12th-2002, 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by obender66
Saab Viggen has shitload more torgue than neon, and max is available at 1900 rpm(vs neons 2000rpm)
Again it's 2 liter turbo against 2 liter turbo
Alex
Saab Viggen has shitload more torgue than neon, and max is available at 1900 rpm(vs neons 2000rpm)
Again it's 2 liter turbo against 2 liter turbo
Alex
-edit- I would suggest that suspension differences contribute to the Neon's ability to make quicker sprints over the Saab. The Saabs floaty suspension contributes a lot to that cars ability to transfer weight OFF the front wheels when trying to accellerate quickly.
Last edited by rodslinger; July-12th-2002 at 06:23 PM.
July-14th-2002, 01:54 AM
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Just wanted to make a note.
Some of the Info Dodge99RT gave was wrong.
The SRT's suspension is NOT based on the ACR's.
The ACR has 21 Way adjustable suspension, the SRT's Suspension is not adjustable. It is using non adjustable Tokico Struts, and Coil Springs.
Also the Engine power has been changed. The car will now be putting out 215 HP and 245Lb-Ft of Torqe. The Torque is available from 2800 RPM till 4800 RPM.
The SRT will come with Michelin Pilot Sport AS Tires.
The car should out handle the Dodge Neon R/T Models, but the ACR should still out perform the SRT on the Skid Pad.
On a side note, Does anyone know how the Protoge's are doing in the Speed Channel Series?
Some of the Info Dodge99RT gave was wrong.
The SRT's suspension is NOT based on the ACR's.
The ACR has 21 Way adjustable suspension, the SRT's Suspension is not adjustable. It is using non adjustable Tokico Struts, and Coil Springs.
Also the Engine power has been changed. The car will now be putting out 215 HP and 245Lb-Ft of Torqe. The Torque is available from 2800 RPM till 4800 RPM.
The SRT will come with Michelin Pilot Sport AS Tires.
The car should out handle the Dodge Neon R/T Models, but the ACR should still out perform the SRT on the Skid Pad.
On a side note, Does anyone know how the Protoge's are doing in the Speed Channel Series?