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June-29th-2003, 12:29 PM
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Well I would like to be able to get either an older imprezza or a slightler older 240sx. With the 240 they have been testing new ways to edge even more power out of the car, like using the sr20de top end and the sr25DET out of the new SE-RspecV for the bottom end and they will match with very minimal work. This way you can rev it higher than the original sr20 and still have the power capabilities to double or triple your stock HP without blowing the engine up. Which is why the sr20 is famed in the first place, as has been said it wasnt necessary to put in 500hp rods but we are glad they did.
SO I look forward to one day having the money to pick an oldie but goodie up and turn it into a sleeper. Like taking the subaru 2.5 engine and doing a turbo kit yourself (which is basically what the STi is) and getting crazy power out of it.
I like the silvia more though especially with a full conversion. There was an article in SCC recently about a guy who bought an S14 or S13 for 5 or 6 grand and then sank 25grand into it. The reason it was 25 is he got a special paint job that was thousands by itself. But he now makes 400-500hp and the car looks gorgeous.
SO I look forward to one day having the money to pick an oldie but goodie up and turn it into a sleeper. Like taking the subaru 2.5 engine and doing a turbo kit yourself (which is basically what the STi is) and getting crazy power out of it.
I like the silvia more though especially with a full conversion. There was an article in SCC recently about a guy who bought an S14 or S13 for 5 or 6 grand and then sank 25grand into it. The reason it was 25 is he got a special paint job that was thousands by itself. But he now makes 400-500hp and the car looks gorgeous.
June-29th-2003, 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by akaveli
I agree, that sr20 motor can work wonders and alot of people are sleeping on it. that is the only reason why I continue to keep my 240sx until I get the swap done.
I agree, that sr20 motor can work wonders and alot of people are sleeping on it. that is the only reason why I continue to keep my 240sx until I get the swap done.
June-29th-2003, 06:48 PM
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yes, you look in any import tuner mag and the silvia is a famed car for all the reasons listed above, cranks, cams and rods that can handle tripling the hp, high reving engine so forth and so on.
I am really interested in seeing the sr20 top matched to the sr25 bottom end since that would increase the potential rev range and add a little more stability to the engine. It has already been shown that the sr25det is very responsive to bolt on mods, the engine seems to be really really bottled up and when testing SCC saw double digit gains from a CAI alone. Which is amazing in itself. This means that bolt ons and other mods to an engine based of the different top and bottom ends might have even more power increase compared to a standard sr20.
It is even more enticing to have a car that cost you 5 or 6 grand, sank 15-20grand into it and it can kill most of the porsches, vettes, supras and other monsters out there, tru sleeper.
I am really interested in seeing the sr20 top matched to the sr25 bottom end since that would increase the potential rev range and add a little more stability to the engine. It has already been shown that the sr25det is very responsive to bolt on mods, the engine seems to be really really bottled up and when testing SCC saw double digit gains from a CAI alone. Which is amazing in itself. This means that bolt ons and other mods to an engine based of the different top and bottom ends might have even more power increase compared to a standard sr20.
It is even more enticing to have a car that cost you 5 or 6 grand, sank 15-20grand into it and it can kill most of the porsches, vettes, supras and other monsters out there, tru sleeper.
June-29th-2003, 07:43 PM
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Sorry, I don't know much about the new sentras, but they still have a version of the SR20 engine?
Or were you talking about the bottom end from a new sentra in an SR20, bascially a stroker kit?
SCC also got I think 13whp (or something outrageous) out of a header on their project spec-v, apparently it has a very restrictive pre-cat.
Or were you talking about the bottom end from a new sentra in an SR20, bascially a stroker kit?
SCC also got I think 13whp (or something outrageous) out of a header on their project spec-v, apparently it has a very restrictive pre-cat.
June-29th-2003, 08:02 PM
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yea the sentras have a sr20 motor but it isn't the same as the sr20det from the siliva. The sr20 from the silvia is the one they put into the s13s. REd top, Black top etc. The s14 & is the later model 240sx where they can put the sr20 or the skyline engine. I wonder if anyone ever got the skinline engine into the s13?
I bought my 240sx from my brother who didn't know nothing about the 240sx potential. After he sold it and later on found out what teh car is capable of, this fool is trying to bribe me into selling the car back to him.
I bought my 240sx from my brother who didn't know nothing about the 240sx potential. After he sold it and later on found out what teh car is capable of, this fool is trying to bribe me into selling the car back to him.
June-29th-2003, 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by akaveli
yea the sentras have a sr20 motor but it isn't the same as the sr20det from the siliva. The sr20 from the silvia is the one they put into the s13s. REd top, Black top etc. The s14 & is the later model 240sx where they can put the sr20 or the skyline engine. I wonder if anyone ever got the skinline engine into the s13?
I bought my 240sx from my brother who didn't know nothing about the 240sx potential. After he sold it and later on found out what teh car is capable of, this fool is trying to bribe me into selling the car back to him.
yea the sentras have a sr20 motor but it isn't the same as the sr20det from the siliva. The sr20 from the silvia is the one they put into the s13s. REd top, Black top etc. The s14 & is the later model 240sx where they can put the sr20 or the skyline engine. I wonder if anyone ever got the skinline engine into the s13?
I bought my 240sx from my brother who didn't know nothing about the 240sx potential. After he sold it and later on found out what teh car is capable of, this fool is trying to bribe me into selling the car back to him.
July-1st-2003, 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by Padanky
The only car out of the three that I would have a problem with is the SRT-4.
It's fast, Yes
Cheap, Yes
Cheaply Made, Yes.
Remember it is a Neon!
Ask yourself this. Would I ever had even thought about buying a Neon, before the SRT-4? Probly not!
The only car out of the three that I would have a problem with is the SRT-4.
It's fast, Yes
Cheap, Yes
Cheaply Made, Yes.
Remember it is a Neon!
Ask yourself this. Would I ever had even thought about buying a Neon, before the SRT-4? Probly not!
July-1st-2003, 04:26 PM
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Neon Bashers.... shame shame shame.
Now since I'm fairly neutral about car brands and open to new things I must interject here for the sake of argument.
To answer your question directly, NO I would not have considered a Neon before the SRT-4. But be careful, because the question could equally be asked "Would I have considered a 2.0 Protege before the MSP version?" My answer also would have been NO.
It seems to me that BOTH Mazda and Dodge have tried to latch on to the "Fast and Furious" clique by taking existing cars, adding turbos, handling upgrades and fancy ***** and spoilers. I am a bit doubtfull of both engines being able to handle tremendous boosts from aftermarket mods. However the WRX is very well established to handle such mods (300 hp+). It may take me a while to reach a final decision, but it will be a personal one and everyone is entitled to their opinion, hence that's why this is so fun!
To answer your question directly, NO I would not have considered a Neon before the SRT-4. But be careful, because the question could equally be asked "Would I have considered a 2.0 Protege before the MSP version?" My answer also would have been NO.
It seems to me that BOTH Mazda and Dodge have tried to latch on to the "Fast and Furious" clique by taking existing cars, adding turbos, handling upgrades and fancy ***** and spoilers. I am a bit doubtfull of both engines being able to handle tremendous boosts from aftermarket mods. However the WRX is very well established to handle such mods (300 hp+). It may take me a while to reach a final decision, but it will be a personal one and everyone is entitled to their opinion, hence that's why this is so fun!
July-1st-2003, 06:08 PM
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I wanted a 2.0 es protege Way before the MSP came out. The Neon didnt even pop into my head when i was looking for a car. The neons interior is ugly IMO. Maybe its just me but i like to keep my cars for alittle more than 50k
July-1st-2003, 07:22 PM
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there is a guy names... kwikstsi or something like that ...
dynod his msp at 263 hp corrected.... @ I think 15 or 18 psi...
he turned the boost up, used colder plugs. and used race feul ..
But ofcourse he has experience with tunning and knows his tunning ....
Bruce
there is a guy names... kwikstsi or something like that ...
dynod his msp at 263 hp corrected.... @ I think 15 or 18 psi...
he turned the boost up, used colder plugs. and used race feul ..
But ofcourse he has experience with tunning and knows his tunning ....
Bruce
July-1st-2003, 08:01 PM
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Yes the new SE-R specV uses an engine that is a variant of the old sr20. The new one is the SR25DET. Not nearly as good as the sr20 as all the good little bits like the rods cams and so forth have been swapped for more financially consious parts. The potential is the bottom end of the new sr25 I believe. It matches to the top end of the sr20 with very little work and by doing so increases the rev range and ultimate potential of the engine and shouldnt be too expensive to do.
As for the skyline engine in a silvia, yes it has been done, but with great effort and expense. FEAST Racing of japan has doen the RB26 convert into the silvia body but you need alot of cutting and welding to be done and it is still an extremely tight fit, especially from the pictures I have seen.
Funny thing is Feast had a s15 silvia in there lot with the rb26dett transplant mentioned above, tastefully modified and was selling it for like 15,600 in japan. Now only to get it across that big pond =)
As for the skyline engine in a silvia, yes it has been done, but with great effort and expense. FEAST Racing of japan has doen the RB26 convert into the silvia body but you need alot of cutting and welding to be done and it is still an extremely tight fit, especially from the pictures I have seen.
Funny thing is Feast had a s15 silvia in there lot with the rb26dett transplant mentioned above, tastefully modified and was selling it for like 15,600 in japan. Now only to get it across that big pond =)
my goodness!!!!!!
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