rktktpaul

Hey, don't they say there's a mate for everybody!

My original thoughts were that a female or male opposite connector piece should be available, just possibly not that readily. But I'm sure with some investigation it can be found. I just got the sense from you that some of those points were hardwired into the harness.

I'm with Black on this one; I think it can be done. If you tell me what connector points you think you'll need to extend, I'll gladly snoop around and see what I can find.

And I really think that the benefits of using an MP62 do outweigh the need to splice into the harness in several places, if thats what it takes to get it to work. Matty, look at how many turbo kits require you to splice in to the harness.

Damn, the further we delve into this, the more exciting this is getting.

Roddimus Prime

I think you and I are talking about different sensors...I'm not doing anyting with o2 sensors....If you look at the throttle body on the protege there is wiring attached to it. You have a TPS and a purge solenoid. These are wired directly to the factory wiring harness. In order for me to make a P&P harness I'd need the male and female connectors for THOSE sensors only.

We may be talking about the same thing or it's probably a brakdown in communication over the intrAweb.

rktktpaul

So the only concern you have is relocating the TB. Let me check it out this weekend, and I'll see what I can come up with.

flat_black

I was just using the O2 sensor as an example. =) I'll take some pictures and take a look myself this afternoon; I think the purge control solenoid is actually on top of the intake tract, not the throttle body, though, so you could just relocate it with an angle bracket to the top of the manifold or something similar, like I did. =) I'll take pictures of it, like I said, and post one if that doesn't make much sense to you. Hehee.

Also, there's a pair of coolant lines that run to the throttle body, too, to warm the intake charge on cold starts, so that may be something to consider. *nods*

Roddimus Prime

yeah, I'm just going to bypass these...instead of running in and out of the TB they are just going to tie together...no need for this junk.

Roddimus Prime

i pmmed you my phone nnumber....if you could give me a call in about 30 minutes (2:50pm cst) I'll be able to go over all of my concerns with you so you have a better understanding of what I'm dealing with.

flat_black

Hmmm... Is it terribly wise to plumb the coolant out of the path of the throttle body in places where it gets particularly cold or hot, though? Not so sure about that one, really, but I doubt it honestly makes that much of a difference, to be fair.

Roddimus Prime

yeah, it's a stupid design that does nothing but heat up the intake charge....this is counter-productive to what we're trying to do.

Also, cars have had no problems warming up on their own since EFI was introduced back in the 60's.

flat_black

Yeah, I figured it didn't do much... I just get paranoid about that sort of thing. Heh. Cool. I'll go out and disable mine, now, anyway, just to reassure myself.

Roddimus Prime

hahaha

Roddimus Prime

ok guys....moment of truth....This determines how much longer I persue this and spend money on it! this question is for serious buyers only. I can really only value the input of people who would be willing to spend the money to have this. As I'd be building it for them.


What are you willing to sacrifice?!?! Something under the hood is going to have to go. If you guys look at the belt drive system there is really no place to get any sort of pulley in there in it's stock configuration. I have toyed around with the idea of turning the Powersteering pump around to "about-face" and then machining my own P/S pulley that would drive the blower (not proven, just an idea). this however involves cutting of the P/S loop and some good fabrication work. Something I said I didn't want you guys to do.

The next choice is for me to build a blower off the intake manifold like Jackson Racing. This is also a good possibility however if you have cruis control you're going to lose it. Also, strut bar has to go.

Nothing can be gained without compromise and struggle. I need to know what you'd rather see....if anything. With the blower mounted to the intake there is no intercooler and substantially more heat. I was looking to see if I could get discount pricing for the JR liquid intercooler sprayer. This should help out. Without a good Intercooler Power and boost levels will be limited. I would say 5-6psi on the M62 would be about tops. This should still add over 60whp.

What are your thoughts? I'm going to keep bumping this thread for the next few days so I know how much of my personal money to spend continuing this project or if I should just build it for me.

Turbo MP3

How much would it take to get the Jackson racing setup for the Focus to work? I think the protege has more room under the hood and i would think it would be a minor modification thing. Im sure the cost on the Jackson setup is more, but if you could use it as a prototype or design basis maybe it would simplify the design process... Just an idea probably a stupid one, but an idea none-the-less. Even though its kind of been stated...

Roddimus Prime

I won't be using a Jackson racing kit even for mock-up. The heads are different and a custom intake manifold would have to be made specifically for the FS-DE motor. Also, we've pretty much determined that the MP45 on the Focus kit is too small and everyone demands something bigger with upgradability.

Turbo MP3

It was just an idea, I thought the engines were more similiar, but obviously not.

Roddimus Prime

no, totally different engines.

I would like to use the JR liquid injection though if I can't use a frontmount.