Wagner 2.0 Cams (Matty)
April-19th-2005, 07:09 PM
#141
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norwalk, Ohio
Posts: 99
Heres all the Details
First off, lets keep in mind my car is a 2002 Protege5 and its an AUTOMATIC
Here is a list of preformance mods, so you can say, that I already had on the car
1. OBX Header
2. Racing Beat Cat-Back Exhaust
3. Injen CAI
4. Magnecor 8.5MM Wires
5. Denso Iridium Spark Plugs
In January of this year I had the car Dyno'd on a Dynojet in Columbus and it pulled 108.75 WHP and 110.2 Ft/Lbs
Last weekend, I took my car to Wanger's Motorsports and it had the exact Mods as above. We took 3 or 4 Base runs and the best the car showed on his Mustand Dyno was 91.7 WHP and 96.0 Ft/Lbs
Andy then installed his NA Cams and I also had him install the Tripoint Adjustable Cam Gears and a new water pump while he was in there. I also had him install his Catless Mid-Pipe.
Then we, took about 8-10 runs and continually got about the same results. The best numbers we got were 110.1 WHP and 102.0 Ft/Lbs
That is an increase of 18.4 WHP and 6 Ft/Lbs
First off, lets keep in mind my car is a 2002 Protege5 and its an AUTOMATIC
Here is a list of preformance mods, so you can say, that I already had on the car
1. OBX Header
2. Racing Beat Cat-Back Exhaust
3. Injen CAI
4. Magnecor 8.5MM Wires
5. Denso Iridium Spark Plugs
In January of this year I had the car Dyno'd on a Dynojet in Columbus and it pulled 108.75 WHP and 110.2 Ft/Lbs
Last weekend, I took my car to Wanger's Motorsports and it had the exact Mods as above. We took 3 or 4 Base runs and the best the car showed on his Mustand Dyno was 91.7 WHP and 96.0 Ft/Lbs
Andy then installed his NA Cams and I also had him install the Tripoint Adjustable Cam Gears and a new water pump while he was in there. I also had him install his Catless Mid-Pipe.
Then we, took about 8-10 runs and continually got about the same results. The best numbers we got were 110.1 WHP and 102.0 Ft/Lbs
That is an increase of 18.4 WHP and 6 Ft/Lbs
April-19th-2005, 07:10 PM
#142
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norwalk, Ohio
Posts: 99
Lets also keep in mind that, I need new shims because I'm getting a little valve float. Plus, we never had the time to use the Cam Gears to do any tuning.
Just too give you a little more info, I took a couple of timed test runs in my car before and after the cams were installed. Just some back ground info here. In my car (AUTOMATIC Here) I redline 2nd gear at 70 MPH and 3rd gear at 100MPH.
Here is how I timed my runs. I would manually put the car in 2nd gear and be rolling at 30 MPH. I would then floor it and when I reached 40MPH I would start timing. I would then shift it in DRIVE. My first split time was when the car would shift into 3rd Gear (Approx. at 70MPH) and then my second time was when the car would shift into 4th gear or overdrive (Approx. at 100MPH). I took five runs each before and after and took the average.
Before times were 8.3 seconds from 40-70 MHP and 31.0 seconds from 40-100 MPH
Times after the cams were install, were 7.5 seconds from 40-70 MPH and 27.5 seconds from 40-100 MPH.
Thats a difference of .8 seconds between 40-70 and 2.5 seconds between 40-100.
I can tell a big difference up top, before the car would get to 90 and then take forever to get to 100 and shift, Now the car continues to pull nicely all the way to 100 and shift. I haven't tested top end yet but I can tell my top end has had to increased.
Just too give you a little more info, I took a couple of timed test runs in my car before and after the cams were installed. Just some back ground info here. In my car (AUTOMATIC Here) I redline 2nd gear at 70 MPH and 3rd gear at 100MPH.
Here is how I timed my runs. I would manually put the car in 2nd gear and be rolling at 30 MPH. I would then floor it and when I reached 40MPH I would start timing. I would then shift it in DRIVE. My first split time was when the car would shift into 3rd Gear (Approx. at 70MPH) and then my second time was when the car would shift into 4th gear or overdrive (Approx. at 100MPH). I took five runs each before and after and took the average.
Before times were 8.3 seconds from 40-70 MHP and 31.0 seconds from 40-100 MPH
Times after the cams were install, were 7.5 seconds from 40-70 MPH and 27.5 seconds from 40-100 MPH.
Thats a difference of .8 seconds between 40-70 and 2.5 seconds between 40-100.
I can tell a big difference up top, before the car would get to 90 and then take forever to get to 100 and shift, Now the car continues to pull nicely all the way to 100 and shift. I haven't tested top end yet but I can tell my top end has had to increased.
Last edited by DaveB; April-19th-2005 at 07:29 PM.
April-19th-2005, 07:32 PM
#144
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norwalk, Ohio
Posts: 99
Once I get the shims in, and that should be within the next week. I will take the car back to the Dynojet and see if I see the same increase in numbers. If I do then it should show me 127.15 WHP and 116.2 Ft/Lbs. Only time will tell.
April-19th-2005, 07:38 PM
#146
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 11,572
good posting...so was this 18.4whp with the cams, cam gears and mid-pipe? Did you guys add any adjustment to the cam gears? I was expecting a bit more but that would probably be 20whp on a 5spd car so thats not bad. Can't wait to see what your car drives like now thats it's breathing better.
April-19th-2005, 07:52 PM
#150
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Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 1,099
I don't know, 600 bucks for cams and about 250-300 for gears and if you have to pay to have them put in add another 3-400. Thats a whooping 11-1200 for only 18 whp. And it still leaves the question as to how much does the cams give. What was the gain in doing the gears? I was kind of hoping that some one would have backed up his mods so we could see the numbers for both cars with the same mods. Do you have the MP3 ECU? Could that be why it only got 18 and not the 24.something he got. Plus I just saw on Corksport that they now have a piggy back for the MSP that claims 24-25 whp, would it work on the N?A guys? I guess with out the same modds we'll be stuck wondering untill some one does it just like him. Hopfully he'll come down on the price, 600 hurts!