Da P-Funk!

What a great idea and well thought-out plan!

Only two questions - because i care. You are sticking your neck out here and i would hate for you to get burned. I really want this to succeed.
1. How many systems will you need to sell to break even at that price? (don't tell - just think the number)
2. How many people will commit to buy (and give up their A/C) i.e. firm money deposit?

I just want to make sure you don't get stuck when you offer the system for sale and people start bailing out because of the a/c issue...

If i am way off-base here - please gently correct me. I am *not* throwing rocks.

Roddimus Prime

In all honesty....I can't say this loud enough....I designed this kit first and foremost for me. Someone once asked why there was no supercharger for the protege and the answer was "it's too expensive and costs too much". When I tried to debate the fact that it could be done everyone told me 1 of 2 things.... "you're an idiot" or "prove it". I'm proving it.

The loss of ac is apparently a big deal to a lot of people....I call these people "not me". I would've loved to keep the AC but there are so many reasons why it HAS to go and only one to keep it. I think Paul said it best "sacrifices have to be made when you want power". This is true even in a turbo car. People just have to decide for themselves whats more important. I'm an enthuisast and race my car weekly. I've removed the ac belt off of every car I've owned until recently. Whenever you get in that car and hit the throttle you're going to forget about how hot it is outside!

Yeah, I'm sticking my neck out pretty far on some of this. I only know for a fact that 2 kits will be sold....mine and DaveB's. I know of about 3-6 other people who have said they are waiting for the dyno numbers before sending me a check. I know of about 10-15 more that say they want to see how well it works and what the final price is before thinking about.... I don't think ANYONE right now is going to place a deposit until a complete package is up and running. I don't blame them. It's hard to turn over money like that.

As I've said all along I'm not looking to get rich off this. I'd like to make a little money on each kit and at the $2695 price I can do that. At the $2500GB price I'm being generous and lets leave it at that! I'm probably only going to do 3 buyers at $2500 and the rest will be at the $2695 with a larger BD-11A blower. Powerdyne doesn't make anymore BD-600's and the BD-11A is a slightly larger replacement. The only main difference is that it will flow higher psi...where the Bd-600 tops out at 12psi the BD-11a will run about 15psi.

Roddimus Prime

yeah, better than stock is huge understatement. Once you get this installed and dyno-tuned it's going to be a killer. The driving dynamic is whats going to be most important....I'm not concerned with peak numbers at all...I'm interested in how fast I'm going to be and how it affects the car in driving situations.

Racing Beat

Im shooting to have the power and responsiveness of my 2.8 VR6 I had in the 'dub....but as the Pro is a lighter car it will take less power to achieve it and the driving dynamics will be stellar....if I can get a SOLID 170+ to the wheels it'll be a screamer!

Roddimus Prime

yeah 170 to the wheels wont be a problem at all.

Hopefully DaveB will have the blower this weekend and be able to get me a couple test brackets so I can start fitting it in the bay. I really need a nice digi-cam so I can post you guys some pictures as I go along.

Also, I'm going to spend a butt-load to have the haltech professionaly dyno-tuned by a Haltech expert on my vehicle. The map will be saved on a floppy and included in the kit so you'll just have to upload the map and be done....Save you from having to dyno it any. Now if there are extreme elevation changes and things of that nature you may want someone to look at it but it won't be the countless hours spent fine tuning that I'll have to pay for!!

Roddimus Prime

Yea, I've had a hard time sleeping the closer it gets to completion. I'm hoping it takes off and does pretty well but I've always hoped for the best and planned for the worst!

p.s. Anyone wishing to make a donation to the "Hurry-the-hell-up-and-finish-this" fund feel free. My paypal address is "perrymuk@bellsouth.net" No credit cards please....Also, buying the brembo rotors and my video games helps as well!!

Racing Beat

Matty also take into account fuel variations when supplying your map, might want to tune to peak, then back everything off a bit to allow for gas variations by locale...I can get 93 octane everywhere here, but its all laced with ethanol..in Michigan I can get straight 91 octane, over in illinois I can get 103 race gas at the pump....then you have california with their **** in a pump gas

Roddimus Prime

Rism, I think my wife bought me a digi-camcorder for my birthday which is 9-2 so I may have VIDEO for you guys soon enough.

Also, you asked a question on the first page about an automatic transmission.... Good news. The Haltech F10X also controls the transmission during certain functions... shift points, shift firmness etc. DaveB has an auto P5 and he's going to be our guienna pig for you auto guys. He's in Ohio so he should have a good tune map that would be a little different than mine in Alabama.

Roddimus Prime

Another neat feature of the haltech F10X is you can switch between two fuel maps on the fly....drive to the track on 87 octane, hit a button, fill up with 104, change your pulley enjoy an extra 50hp.

Racing Beat

I was referring more to a be carfeull selling it with a "max tune" map, someone may blow it up because of lower fuel quality...

Roddimus Prime

I hear what you're saying. I will always recommend everyone have their kit adjusted locally to cover variances like this.

I'm just going to start my personal kit on a "low boost" setting to just get some idea of how it feels. I have a feeling I'll be selling pulleys by the "psi" so people can adjust whenever they want. Mayeb set something up like 4, 6,9,12psi....the only problem is the pulleys will cost about $75 each. :frown:

tailland

thats impressive!!!
i want to see this thing in action....

Racing Beat

if I could do either I would...lol
what sort of intake parts are you gonna supply for this? A cone, SRI?

Roddimus Prime

With the haltech I'm going to set it up to run the MaF on the charge pipe and there will just be a filter attached to the blower. I'm hoping to use the monsterflow filter...I've got one now and it works great. Just not sure how many more I can get at a decent price.

Matty Mooling

Roddimus, you mentioned before about possible financing for us poor folk that can't shell out $2500+ for the SC. Is this still something you're thinking about or is it completely out the question since the price isn't as high as was originally thought.