TRBOMP5

Im planning on a T25 DSM turbo install, any opinions? I've heard T3's were too small, and T3/T4 hybrids were overkill. Also anybody know where I can get better injectors? What do our stocks flow? Thanks for the input.
Andrew

Roddimus Prime

a T25 is smaller than a T3...if a T3 is too small you're not helping things.

Truth is a T3 is PLENTY large enough for a stock block 2.0L. In all honesty a T25 from the msp is plenty big enough..16-17psi on a T25 is more than enough to shread your internals.

I think you'd just do better to buy a proven turbo kit. Wagner sells a non-intercooled T3 kit for about $2400 and it will do wonders for you. If you decide later to upgrade you can buy the intercooler and new AEM ecu for some real power.

TheJackyl

Prime what is wagners website?

661 sleeper

wagners website is wagnermotorsports.com

661 sleeper

oops , sorry its wagnermotorsports.net

TRBOMP5

After hours of searching, and calling, and asking, and reading... here is what I plan on doing as far as a turbo goes. The plan is to start off with the basics, and then upgrade and up the boost as I add more to support it. O and please dont even suggest to buy a premade system, I can fab up and have connections to all of the stuff im going to need. So im not going to pay 3-4g for someone to put it all together for me and charge me a ton of markup.

Used T25 DSM ($150)
Rebuild Kit ($100)
DSM Turbo outlet/o2 housing ported ($30)
Log Header Kit ($140)
Used Pop Off ($100-150)
Custom stainless downpipe, and exhaust back to the MS axleback I have now ($100)
-no cats either. No inspections in Indiana!
21x9x3 FMIC core only ($100)
-I can make the end caps the way I want them ($0)
10" stick of 2 1/4" Stainless tube for IC ($0)
All the clamps, braided lines and silicone hose I need I can get through my work from Fastenal and McMaster Carr ($0)
Boost Guage ($50)
Boost controller
FPR

The plan is to have all this on, and only run about 4-5 psi. What should I get next to reach my goal of about 8-10psi in the future?

jon-0

this is weak man u know i love my car but the truth is protege's are slow as hell sorry but i thought that with turbo and all this other junk it was going to be different well no cars are slow and so im selling mine my advice is don't waste your money buy another car

*edit* My advice to you is to watch your language. We try to keep it clean on here. I've replaced the words that needed to go. thanks. Roddimus

Roddimus Prime

I'm sure your turbo kit will work for 4-5psi and be pretty cheap. I still stand by my advise of buying the Wagner non-intercooled kit and maybe making your own intercooler. The regular kit is $2400 and is BRAND NEW. You're talking about buying used turbos and rebuilding them and used BPV's and a log header.....just not a real solid set-up. I think it's great you have fabricating skills and can make your own intercooler yourself. Do that, save yourself a thousand dollars but don't ever skimp on a good, well-designed turbo kit.

TRBOMP5

Ok even if i did buy a NEW t25 ($250) and a NEW BPV ($165) and the couple of things im probably foretting right now, im still no where near the $2400. Here is the point on the used parts though. If I went and bought a car with a turbo in it (my wifes 03 S4 for example) it has a used turbo in it. Would you put used brake pads on your car? Well I guarantee the ones on your car now are used. (unless you just put new ones on last night, haha). If you went a bought an alternator for your car would you get the remanned or the OEM new for about 3x the cost? See my point. Also not only can I fab up the intercooler end caps, making and bending all the piping is also a non issue. Hoses and connectors, non issue. I cant see the point of putting that much money into a car that even when done will get beat by a neon! (stupid a$$ SRT-4's. why couldnt Mazda do that!)
If I want a fast a$$ car I'll go get in the S4. If I want to go even faster, I'll get on my GSX-R. This is more of a little project/dream/goal than anything. I only have about 6g in my car right now, I bought it wrecked for $3000 fixed it all myself and then had to pay for the paint, and the upgrades that I bought. $6000 for an '02 with 5k on it is not bad wouldnt you say? I drive about an hour total to and from work. Im the head of the maintenance for an Oil processing facility with about 30 people under me. Thats why the fabbing is not going to be a problem. We even have a machine shop. And as far as the log header goes, im on a GTX forum because my other project in the garage is the conversion of my 323 sedan into an all AWD turbo with the B6t in it. (you want extreme turbo knowledge, talk to these guys!) And when I posted the question about the "log" many, I mean, many people came back and said that no, its not the best compared to a tubular, but the difference is so minimal its not worth the price diff. Not unless you are trying to run crazy boost levels. And a ceramic coated "log" lookes clean and really nice. Do you see where im coming from? Plus there is a ton more pride in building a setup yourself, than there is in "look what I bought! .... well uh i bolted it on?!" if I wanted to just buy fast I'd have (gulp) bought an SRT-4

Roddimus Prime

I understand where you're coming from. The only thing I'm going to argue about is the log-style manifold.

I run a 2.3L turbo ford motor. It came with a factory log-style manifold and set at 16psi stock boost on a Garret T3. Just adding an equal-length tubular style header made 35whp and brought full bost on like 600rpm sooner. Thats at stock boost. My motor last ran 26psi from a T3/T4....a tubular style is MANDATORY for something like that, but I understand you won't be running high boost levels. I just wanted to point out that there is a distinct advantage to running a tubular manifold....especially for a small turbo.

It sounds like you know what you're doing and have done it before. Good luck and let us know how it turns out with pictures and everything!

TRBOMP5

If you know of where I can get a tubular for a reasonable amount Im all ears. And yes the factory "logs" are junk. This is a forged steel tube design, not them crappy cast ones. Heres a link http://www.jgstools.com/turbo/index2.html As far as doing it b4 yes and no. I was the General Manager of an auto shop for about 4 yrs previously and have done about everything you can dream of to cars. The swap of the gtx into the 323 is just that a swap. Not a real brain wrencher. Other than the having to swap out the entire floor pan! But I have never boosted a car that didnt come that way. Ive installed "prefabed" supercharger kits on 2 maximas, and my brother owned a blown accord with an H22, but again it was not a fresh install you know? The worst thing I could do is say I know exactly what I'm doing, thats why I've found these forums to be such a great tool. I welcome any and all opinions/input! Thanks!

Roddimus Prime

What vehicle is this going on? A 2.0L protege? Did you decide on a T3 or T25?? My friends at Wagner Motorsports will a very nice tubular manifold for a T3. I'm not 100% sure about the price but you can contact them to see or I can.

www.wagnermotorsports.net

p.s. if you call them, make sure to tell them I sent you from this forum.

TRBOMP5

Yes a 2.0 protege 5. I'll call them monday. If I remember right though doesn't there header put the turbo way up high? The way a t25 dsm sits, having it down seems more ideal. I kind of planned for that when I bought a new radiator and fan (totaled remember) I got a pusher fan that sits in front so I'd have room to keep everything pushed low and clean looking. I'll call them and see what they say though. And I'm pretty sure im going with the DSM its configuration of the intake, charge, exhaust in and out, plus i got a guy who makes custom exhaust out elbows for the eclipse that are polished and ported amd include the o2 bung all for about $30 cant beat that you know?