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My engine noise is not really nice. Its worst when cold but its not perfect too when hot. I start to wonder if I could possibly get some problem in the futur. On another forum(in french) someone just destroyed is new mazda 6 engine with only 1 200 KM on it! He was not covered underwaranty because the engine broke at 6 000 rpm...Thats scarry... I mean yes he was at 6 000 rpm but sh$t we talk about a brand new engine it should be enought strong to substent some minimal abuse for a minimal time...

So now I have a P-flow on my Pro, but I am scare to death to rev up this engine... On my previous car wich was 14 years old when I get rid of it I was riding the car to the redline at less 5-6 timeevery day for 5 years and the engine was 100% perfect. But I am comming from the Vdubs crew(vw) and I am perplex now about the way I should drive this mazda: the engine is just making me feel that it wont accept anny abuse. Can this 2.0L can take some abuse every day or should I stay cool with it.

The guy on the other board withthe mazda 6 make me wonder.the dealer knew exactly on is computer how manny time he hit the redline! It cost him more than 8K$ He bent is valves(4) and the engine head was destroyed.

leungwingkei

I think the guy who broke his M6 engine with only 1200km on it is an isolated case. The engine must have been assembled improperly or there may be a fault with the parts to have caused his engine to fail.


Why the engine is not covered under warranty puzzles me, because he did not exceed the limits of the engine. I think in most cars there is a counter registering the number of times the car hit redline, but to me that is a sorry excuse for not replacing the engine under warranty because simply; ENGINES ARE DESIGNED TO HIT REDLINE OFTEN WITH NO PROBLEMS. That's why the redline is set at that point. The redline is a conservative point in which the engine can reliably go up to, usually 1000rpm below the actual limit.

Yes the 2.0L FS-DE can take a substantial amount of high rpm. I rev my P5 to it's 6500 redline many times, even sometimes up to 7200rpm for the fun of it. It's still healthy.

BioSehnsucht

Break in period.

jlanger

I don't beleive that I've seen anyone that has blown an engine on here. Trannies at times, but not engines. I've pushed our LX numerous times in the year and a half that I've had it, Honestly that's where most of teh power is. I think that with regular maintenance and a good break in period you should be ok. There are a great many protege's out there and the 2.0 has been around for a long time (at least the basic principle has been) You should be just fine with revving the engine (assuming that it's broken in)
With the Mazda6 issue, it's an entirely different engine, I've been searching a great deal and haven't found many issues with that, btw were'd you find it? Anyway it's a brand new design in it's introductory year, I'm surprised that there hasn't been more problems.

pauche

6k rpm shouldn't break an engine... I have redlined cars during test drives... I was able to drive it back to the dealerships. There must have been a defect with the engine... Isn't the v6 or I4 the same engine shared with FORD?

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Thanks, I was scared with the story of this guy with is mazda 6. The forum is in french so it wont help if I give you the link but what happened is that is mazda 6 was a tiptronic and is daugther took the car without knowing how to drive in tiptronic mode. So basically she was in first and she think their was a problem with the car and she drove the car back to is home in the redline for about 20 min. I was surprise that a new engine could not drive 20 minutes in the redline because I remember when my clutch die on my old golf that I was in first and drove the car for at less 15 min. during a hot day in summer and I was at maximum speed in first during all that time.

So I was scared for my 2.0L because the sound the engine made is rought on idle. I really dont like the sound at idle and when I press the acelerator. One day my friend opened my hood to hear the engine and I was uncomfortable and in shame with the result. I dont think their is a problem with my engine but for sure I will never open my hood again with the engine running. This stupid noise make me wonder as if the engine was strong enought to take some abuse. Because I admit I always drove my previous car pretty badly but I always did the maintenance and as a result I was always able to sale back my car in a perfect condition.

jlanger

The 2.0 tends to have a bit of a rouhg idle (especially when cold) on start up, sounds kinda like a diesel. Nothing wrong with the engine just kinda is that way.
BTW that mazda 6 was redlined for 20 minutes? ouch . I've seen some links from WRX forums people who redlined for 5 minutes and blew their engine (of course they were running way too much boost but still) I don't know of any engine that could handle that (except maybe f1 engines) Things start to melt and brake at that kind of rpm and length of time don't they?

Protege_kid

first off the diesel sounding start up in cold weather is due to a small little delay valve depending on the year that the car was built. there is an updated part for it and also there is an ecu update. that will get rid of the cold rattle (for the most part) I was impressed with mine. secondly the m6 motors, the 3.0 liter V6 and the 2.3 L 4 banger are ford POS's

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Both engine are from ford!? I really dont want ford product, I hope the next protege will remain a pure japanese product.

The 2.0L in my 2003 pro is a ford?

Farsyde

there is no next protege. It's days have been marked and will die in a few years.

jlanger

They aren't really built by ford. The v6 is a ford (originally designed by porsche) block with mazda internals. Blocks very seldom have issues the accessories, ie, fuel pumps, water pumps, etc. are what usually cause the problems. BTW, this block is offered in just about every ford product out there now with very little issues, ie, MPV, Escape/tribute, taurus, lincoln LS/Jaguar S, xtype, etc. Unfortunately the belated contour had the original design of the duratech (2.5l) and was a good teething bed to fix it's issues (lots of them anyway).
I believe that 2.3 was orignally being made by ford but Mazda took over development.

Mazda3 just started production in Japan and will be officially release to the world? in September.

Farsyde

yes but this isn't the protege, it is the replacement for the protege.

jlanger

I was reaffirming your statement. It is a new model but seems to be following in the protege/323 footsteps.

Installshield

The FS-DE 2.0L is built by Mazda in Japan, the same block with a different ignition system was in a Ford Probe SE a few years ago...but it was still built by Mazda...

I am not sure what VW you drove, but from what I have seen they were on the lower end of reliability anyway...They never seemed to hold together like most Japanese engines...I spent almost all of last summer replacing every seal/gasket in a MK III Jetta with a little over 100,000 miles...And the FS-DE still breathes better at high rpm than an 8 valve VW...

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My engine was a 1.8 8 valves Mk2. The Mk3 is a 2.0L and is the worst engine everbuilt by vw. The Mk2 1.8 l 8 valves is bullet proof and was used since 1982 in the rabbit gti after it was used in scirocco in fox and in golf too. My engine was the last generation of this engine and it came with the electronic injection call digifiant II. This engine was impressive because it pulled hard after 2 500 rpm end the torque delivery was impressive. Its a small engine but my car curb weight was 800Kg so it doesn't need much to move. I sold the car because I do a lot of highway and this engine was mostly designed for city use. I made a mistake because the frame was like a new one and it was a good car for a project like a vr6 swap... Anyway I see a lot of finished project for sales like this awsome scirocco :