Which Exhaust System???
May-8th-2003, 10:05 PM
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SPD racing has the HKS hiper axel back for $205and it looks dope. I went to see them today and am now scraping up the funds to buy it before anyone else. i hate my arospeed, it is SOOOOOOOOOOOO raspy, might as well say HONDA on it. Ha Ha good luck, try the FS-ZE cams too, they help.
May-8th-2003, 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by YellowSport20
SPD racing has the HKS hiper axel back for $205and it looks dope. I went to see them today and am now scraping up the funds to buy it before anyone else. i hate my arospeed, it is SOOOOOOOOOOOO raspy, might as well say HONDA on it. Ha Ha good luck, try the FS-ZE cams too, they help.
SPD racing has the HKS hiper axel back for $205and it looks dope. I went to see them today and am now scraping up the funds to buy it before anyone else. i hate my arospeed, it is SOOOOOOOOOOOO raspy, might as well say HONDA on it. Ha Ha good luck, try the FS-ZE cams too, they help.
May-9th-2003, 09:11 PM
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Pardon my ignorance of Aussie terminology for car parts, but what is a "hot dog"? The only kind of "hot dog" I'm familiar with is the kind you eat at a baseball game.
Yer mate it's a resanator, we call em that because it looking like a hotdog that you guys eat at your baseball games, Im going to put the car on ramps and take a photo of it underneath so you can see what i mean!!!!!
May-14th-2003, 04:33 PM
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"a 4" tip is gigantic (the size of the tip determines how raspy the exhaust is)..."
"...as the tip is what makes the echo amplifying the sound..."
For what it's worth, seeing as this thread is a week old, the size of the tip makes absolutely NO difference in the sound of the exhaust system. Changing the tips ONLY changes the look of the exhaust system. It doesn't matter if it's 3", 4", 10", resonated or not...the tip is simply for looks.
There are ONLY three cases where this is not true:
1) The tip (such as on our Type-V mufflers) has a silencer that can be installed or removed. The system will sound different in volume with/without the silencer installed
2) The tip INLET is smaller then the tubing welded to the tip. If your exhaust system is 2.25" tubing, and you weld a 2" tip to it...you'll change the volume and sound level of the exhaust.
3) You're using a novelty tip, such as those designed to whistle.
Proper choice of the muffler size and design, the resonator size and design, the tubing size and number of bends are the factors that effect the sound of the exhaust system. Once the exhaust system reaches the end of the last bend you will not be effecting the sound at all by changing the tip...or having a different sized tip.
Tips are merely for looks. You could buy any of the 35 or so tips we make that will fit a Protoge system, and weld them to ANY Protoge system...not one would change the sound of the exhaust.
Tips are only for looks.
Feel free to message, or reply to this post if you require more information.
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"...as the tip is what makes the echo amplifying the sound..."
For what it's worth, seeing as this thread is a week old, the size of the tip makes absolutely NO difference in the sound of the exhaust system. Changing the tips ONLY changes the look of the exhaust system. It doesn't matter if it's 3", 4", 10", resonated or not...the tip is simply for looks.
There are ONLY three cases where this is not true:
1) The tip (such as on our Type-V mufflers) has a silencer that can be installed or removed. The system will sound different in volume with/without the silencer installed
2) The tip INLET is smaller then the tubing welded to the tip. If your exhaust system is 2.25" tubing, and you weld a 2" tip to it...you'll change the volume and sound level of the exhaust.
3) You're using a novelty tip, such as those designed to whistle.
Proper choice of the muffler size and design, the resonator size and design, the tubing size and number of bends are the factors that effect the sound of the exhaust system. Once the exhaust system reaches the end of the last bend you will not be effecting the sound at all by changing the tip...or having a different sized tip.
Tips are merely for looks. You could buy any of the 35 or so tips we make that will fit a Protoge system, and weld them to ANY Protoge system...not one would change the sound of the exhaust.
Tips are only for looks.
Feel free to message, or reply to this post if you require more information.
-Dave
Vibrant Performance Technical Support
note: Reply to thread, PM, or email to spokes@the-wire.com My other email accounts are currently down.
May-14th-2003, 09:59 PM
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Maybe this is an area where exhaust experts disagree (cause i'm not one in any book)...I'm sure your comments are also accurate
My local expert owns several muffler (Midas) shops in Northern Virginia and a performance shop in Leesburg, VA and sponsors, builds and race a wide variety of vehicles (from 4x4, to drag, to autox, racing at road tracks, and even powerboats). He's been doing this for over 20 years and told me the tip has a big effect on how raspy the sound an exhaust can have b/c the exhaust exits through the tip. The larger the tip usually the louder and more raspy it gets b/c of the echo it makes (not only does exhaust go through the muffler but also the engines exhaust noise).
In my own personal experience, I can attest as the 4" tip from the teammoonexhaust I bought was annoying loud (it had no option of a silencer). When I brought it to him, he cut it off and installed a 2.5" straight tip on the 2 1/4" exhaust and the sound was dramatically different (no longer raspy from in the car and listening to another person drive it while i'm out of the car). In fact the elimination of the big echo made it sound much more aggressive yet muted.
My local expert owns several muffler (Midas) shops in Northern Virginia and a performance shop in Leesburg, VA and sponsors, builds and race a wide variety of vehicles (from 4x4, to drag, to autox, racing at road tracks, and even powerboats). He's been doing this for over 20 years and told me the tip has a big effect on how raspy the sound an exhaust can have b/c the exhaust exits through the tip. The larger the tip usually the louder and more raspy it gets b/c of the echo it makes (not only does exhaust go through the muffler but also the engines exhaust noise).
In my own personal experience, I can attest as the 4" tip from the teammoonexhaust I bought was annoying loud (it had no option of a silencer). When I brought it to him, he cut it off and installed a 2.5" straight tip on the 2 1/4" exhaust and the sound was dramatically different (no longer raspy from in the car and listening to another person drive it while i'm out of the car). In fact the elimination of the big echo made it sound much more aggressive yet muted.
May-18th-2003, 04:50 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vibrant Tech
[B]"a 4" tip is gigantic (the size of the tip determines how raspy the exhaust is)..."
"...as the tip is what makes the echo amplifying the sound..."
For what it's worth, seeing as this thread is a week old, the size of the tip makes absolutely NO difference in the sound of the exhaust system. Changing the tips ONLY changes the look of the exhaust system. It doesn't matter if it's 3", 4", 10", resonated or not...the tip is simply for looks.[QUOTE]
Bud, I don't know where you get your information from, but that is ABSOLUTELY incorrect!
The tip size IS going to make a difference, as it is going to resonate/echo through it. This has been done for years in cars. Anyone know what Megs are? Yeah, different size tips that would effect the sound of your exhaust. I had a buddy use them on his GTO. He was always changing them until he got the sound he liked.
Is this the only factor in the sound? NO, but don't go spouting off things unless you can actually prove otherwise. Jaje, mentioned twice that he put a different tip on to change the sound of his exhaust.
Sam
[B]"a 4" tip is gigantic (the size of the tip determines how raspy the exhaust is)..."
"...as the tip is what makes the echo amplifying the sound..."
For what it's worth, seeing as this thread is a week old, the size of the tip makes absolutely NO difference in the sound of the exhaust system. Changing the tips ONLY changes the look of the exhaust system. It doesn't matter if it's 3", 4", 10", resonated or not...the tip is simply for looks.[QUOTE]
Bud, I don't know where you get your information from, but that is ABSOLUTELY incorrect!
The tip size IS going to make a difference, as it is going to resonate/echo through it. This has been done for years in cars. Anyone know what Megs are? Yeah, different size tips that would effect the sound of your exhaust. I had a buddy use them on his GTO. He was always changing them until he got the sound he liked.
Is this the only factor in the sound? NO, but don't go spouting off things unless you can actually prove otherwise. Jaje, mentioned twice that he put a different tip on to change the sound of his exhaust.
Sam
May-18th-2003, 08:20 PM
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every body knows that the bigger the tip the louder its going to be, i used to have a 3 inch tip on the end of my cannon, i chucked that cannon away and got this 4 inch cannon, same pipes, same inlet but bigger outlet and the sound is way louder, if i was to put a 10 inch tip on it it probably wouldn't make any sound LOL.
go down and ask a muffler place they will tell you the bigger you go the loader its going to be
http://www.imagestation.com/members/20omz
go down and ask a muffler place they will tell you the bigger you go the loader its going to be
http://www.imagestation.com/members/20omz
May-19th-2003, 09:43 AM
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I just had my stock tip replaced with a 3" and there was no change in the sound. The exit hole in the muffler was not enlarged so the back pressure remained the same and the muffler works the same no matter the size of the tip. I wanted a tip that would fit the bumper better, but didn't want any noise. If the system was larger, as on most aftermarket mufflers, than the tip size and shape could change the sound. It's a matter of the flow of exhaust at the exit point of the muffler. If the hole is smaller than tip than it won't mess with sound. If tip is same size or smaller than you can adjust tips to change sound level. I think both arguments are right.
May-19th-2003, 10:34 AM
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Exhaust
Don't waste your money on a RB or a MS exhaust. If you aren't going to install a turbo it won't help in any power gains. Just install a new tip, they look great if you did the conversion.
All these companies are trying to sell there products for our cars, which will not do anything as far as power gains. We have a 4 cylinder engine in our cars, unless it is turbo there will be no power gains. Save your money.
Also with the intakes from injen, aem. They are all bullshit, waste of money. Just take the snorkle off, same thing. Or fab a pipe to connect up to the filter box.
All these companies are trying to sell there products for our cars, which will not do anything as far as power gains. We have a 4 cylinder engine in our cars, unless it is turbo there will be no power gains. Save your money.
Also with the intakes from injen, aem. They are all bullshit, waste of money. Just take the snorkle off, same thing. Or fab a pipe to connect up to the filter box.
May-19th-2003, 08:24 PM
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Re: Exhaust
Originally posted by guitargod
We have a 4 cylinder engine in our cars, unless it is turbo there will be no power gains. Save your money.
We have a 4 cylinder engine in our cars, unless it is turbo there will be no power gains. Save your money.
with a honda d16z6 sohc vtec with a cai, dc sports 4-2-1 header, and a 2 1/4" exhaust (hi flow cat and muffler) you will get on average 11-12 whp gain over most of the rev range and 18 whp at its most efficient rpm range
May-20th-2003, 08:22 AM
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Thanks for the input guys...
I think I'm going to hold off on the exhaust system... for the $600CDN it's going to cost me, I'm not going to get that much more power, it won't lower my time at the autox, and it's not going to get me more ladies...
Over the weekend, I found a SMOKING deal on a BMW M3 that is in great shape. If I get it, bye bye to my P5. Too bad, the members in this forum are much more helpful than the M3 forum.
I think I'm going to hold off on the exhaust system... for the $600CDN it's going to cost me, I'm not going to get that much more power, it won't lower my time at the autox, and it's not going to get me more ladies...
Over the weekend, I found a SMOKING deal on a BMW M3 that is in great shape. If I get it, bye bye to my P5. Too bad, the members in this forum are much more helpful than the M3 forum.
May-20th-2003, 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by guitargod
You are talking about Honda, headers.
I am talking about Protege, which isn't a VTEC.
I am just saying , you might get 5 HP from a CB, CAI.
It is a waste of money.
You are talking about Honda, headers.
I am talking about Protege, which isn't a VTEC.
I am just saying , you might get 5 HP from a CB, CAI.
It is a waste of money.
you also didn't clarify where in the system you 5hp number comes from...at the crank or at the wheels
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May-20th-2003, 11:51 AM
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Racing beat says that if you put on their exhaust power will increase 5 HP.
I am just saying for the money everything cost, it isn't worth it. We can't take the Cats off because of emission testing.
A turbo is the way to go. Once a turbo is installed, then you will get benefit from a bigger piped exhaust.
And the only way I would install a turbo would be if MAZDASPEED comes out with a kit that is on the MAZDASPEED vehicle. Because they or the supplier did all the R & D on the system.
I am just saying for the money everything cost, it isn't worth it. We can't take the Cats off because of emission testing.
A turbo is the way to go. Once a turbo is installed, then you will get benefit from a bigger piped exhaust.
And the only way I would install a turbo would be if MAZDASPEED comes out with a kit that is on the MAZDASPEED vehicle. Because they or the supplier did all the R & D on the system.