macdaddyslomo

here you go

http://www.hiboost.com/KITMAZDA16protege.htm

with just a 2.5L catback

175hp @ 8 psi...

_Kansei_

Maybe the one I saw dyno was having some "trouble" or somethin.. or maybe I'm remembering wrong and it was at 10psi, which sounds more like it. It had a custom kit on it, with a dsm turbo IIRC.

Roddimus Prime

I'm still hung up on the fact that the 2.5L KL-DE will bolt right into the Protege chasis with nothing more than a passenger motor mount??

The 2.5 and 2.0 use the same tranny? The length of the 2.5L blocks w/ accessories is shorter than the fs-de?

I would've given my right ball to have a 2.5L Protege5......maybe I still will someday.

Anyone want to trade my RX7 for their 3rd gen protege?

macdaddyslomo

It has been done...I can't seem to find the thread on it, but there were even pics on msprotege

IIRC, it was definitely more than a motor mount change to drop it in...the tranny is basically the same...definitely a G series 5 speed, maybe some minor differences...

I could see some cutting required..those KL-02's barely fit in the MX-6 engine bay

Alejo_NIN

ok, actually, bell housing ont he KL is different than that of the FS
sorry to burst your bubble but i've been a long owner of various 626's and have had alot of info regarding the v6 swap...everyone says is not worth it, it's easier to swap interiors! lol

my theory is if the I4 fits, the V6 should too!!
of course, different motor mounts for the tranny side since it seems to be a lil bigger. everything else is just plug and play, except for the ECU of course since this is a V6...and even so, is just a matter of running extra cbales for the extra injectors and some misc extra sensors...or change the whole harness altogether.

the V6 is heavy. twin turbo sounds good tho, don't know if it'll have enough space to accomodate one being that the engine bay compared to one of a V6 is quite smaller.

has it been done to a 3rd gen protege? yes

if one has done it, then many can

zerocover

Look into the 626 v6. Then look into the fs-de in the 626 same everything. (they even share oil filters)

Some guys in canada did the swap and twin turboed the beast. It made some 600whp on a dyno. I'm not sure if anyone had the ***** to drive it though.

NOw with more v6 action


Bikman went back and redid his 1.6l pro into a hill climb car. Its boosting some 35 psi now right to redline. Its a dam good engine.

Alejo_NIN

now, that's a frigging swap!

macdaddyslomo

give everyone all the info though...Yes it's a damn good engine, but his 35 psi is not on stock internals....that's all forged

JoshP5

The complete KL-ZE is weighs ~75lbs more than an FS-DE. By comparison, up front the MSP is about 150lbs heavier than the P5.

Alejo_NIN

http://www.clubprotege.com/wil/tech/3gspecs.htm
this website shows the different transmission models used among ZE, FP and FS

The FS being the FS-DE found on the 3rd gen protege 2.0 DOHC
the ZE being the 1.6l in question
and finally the FP 1.8 liter found on 99-00 ES protege Models.

all of them are protege engines.
transmissions only shared between ZE and FP

no luck for the FS

_Kansei_

I've seen those numbers so many times, and they still make no sense to me. The turbo + manifold + downpipe weighs maybe 15-20 pounds more than the stock manifold + precat + j-pipe (if at all.. if I had my stock stuff still I would have weighed them to compare)

The sway bar.. maybe a pound more than the stock one?

The intercooler is a lightweight, with plastic endtanks and all plastic piping.

The radiator and a/c condenser are quite a bit smaller (2/3 the size) than the Protege5.

The LSD.. I've only held my own open LSD in my hands, never an LSD, so I don't know there..

The axles are bigger, but are they much heavier? maybe a few pounds for both?

Struts are no heavier, springs are no heavier, underbody brace in the front is the same, body panels are the same, dash is the same (different stuff, definitely not heavier though), midpipe might be a little heavier with two cats, clutch is no heavier, flywheel is the same, the wheels are like 5 pounds heavier, the tires are lighter. The endlinks are the same, the strut tower brace is the same, the block/head/IM are the same.. where the heck does 150 pounds come from?

KrayzieFox

The amp/sub/rack weigh a good 30 lbs or so. Maybe a lil more even.

17" rims vs. 16" on the regular Proteges maybe? I dunno if the RacingHearts are lighter or heavier than the regular Mazda rims .. but they certainly are bigger so they could be heavier as well.

Alejo_NIN

racingharts are much hevaier than the p5 wheels, i have both.
the LSD is twice as heavy as the open differential, i did the comparison when swapping out a broken lsd for an open diff

Alejo_NIN

i'm gonna do the ultimate test:
i will go to a junkyard and compare a FS 2.0 to a ZM 1.6L...mostly measure motormount points and see if either transmission matches CV-Joints and Bellhousings

it should be fun!

Roddimus Prime

I still want more info onthe 2.5L swap.....there's no way that a 2.5L will bolt up to the same tranny from a protege...a bellhousing swap could get it done possibly.

Also a V6 WILL be shorter than an I4 but the accessory routing may make fitting between the frame rails way too tight to work.

Assuming the transmission bolts up without ANY modifcation I'd be willing to tackle the rest of the swap.