Are cams worth it?
June-20th-2003, 09:38 PM
#31
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I think the SCC article was in the mag about 6 or 7 issues ago? look through back issues, www.sportcompactcarweb.com.
And I never said I was at 200 whp and I never said I would hit that with those mods listed, and finally I never said a clutch would give me more power as I know it wouldnt. I was lookin more at the in and out cams, intake, header, exhaust, intake manifold, pistons, and the list goes on past what I could ever remember to list.
As for bolt on the only thing I really consider bolt on would be the intake, exhaust, headers and intake manifold. Not much else. Most everything else is going to be internal.
And please stop tryin to tell me it is not possible I have SEEN it done. Again read the article i mentioned. p5's are starting to replace the hondas with b-engine swaps cause then they dont have to do a swap at all. All within SCAA regulations also.
..just checked it is the august 2002 issue the article entitled changing horses. yellow mp5 driven by Roger Foo dyno'd at 225whp N/A and they werent done at that point. blah people only read half of what you say and jump on you for that, I said the mods I wanted to do would be done over the next 9-12 months, probably closer to 18 months by the time it comes down to it.
And I never said I was at 200 whp and I never said I would hit that with those mods listed, and finally I never said a clutch would give me more power as I know it wouldnt. I was lookin more at the in and out cams, intake, header, exhaust, intake manifold, pistons, and the list goes on past what I could ever remember to list.
As for bolt on the only thing I really consider bolt on would be the intake, exhaust, headers and intake manifold. Not much else. Most everything else is going to be internal.
And please stop tryin to tell me it is not possible I have SEEN it done. Again read the article i mentioned. p5's are starting to replace the hondas with b-engine swaps cause then they dont have to do a swap at all. All within SCAA regulations also.
..just checked it is the august 2002 issue the article entitled changing horses. yellow mp5 driven by Roger Foo dyno'd at 225whp N/A and they werent done at that point. blah people only read half of what you say and jump on you for that, I said the mods I wanted to do would be done over the next 9-12 months, probably closer to 18 months by the time it comes down to it.
Last edited by p5sunDevil; June-20th-2003 at 09:44 PM.
June-20th-2003, 09:41 PM
#32
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starting to think this was the wrong protege forum to sign up at, seems like whenever someone post anything about power gains they get a few ******** jumping down their throats instead of positive criticism.
I will however thank those who find it not so hard to respond, whether to correct someone or not, without flaming them.
I will however thank those who find it not so hard to respond, whether to correct someone or not, without flaming them.
June-20th-2003, 09:59 PM
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Mach 1, basically every bolt on you mentioned is available. the cams from the J-spec FS-ZE are not aggressive enough to cause noticable low end torque losses. at least 3 different intakes, a number of different header kits, 4+ cat back exhuasts, J-spec intake manifold, cams + adjustable cam gears, a few custom throttle bodies are being developed, are all available...
The people that gained 20hp didn't use a fart can and a new air filter...that is what I was semi stabbing at with reading all of the posts...
an example....
Phantom Cruiser gained about 22whp and 15lb/ft of torque with A bosal header, a pair of the J-spec cams, and a magnaflow muffler...the car was dyno'd and achieved these gains before the RB cat-back and intake where installed...The dyno shows gains across the board with no loss in lowend torque...
The people that gained 20hp didn't use a fart can and a new air filter...that is what I was semi stabbing at with reading all of the posts...
an example....
Phantom Cruiser gained about 22whp and 15lb/ft of torque with A bosal header, a pair of the J-spec cams, and a magnaflow muffler...the car was dyno'd and achieved these gains before the RB cat-back and intake where installed...The dyno shows gains across the board with no loss in lowend torque...
Last edited by Installshield; June-20th-2003 at 10:04 PM.
June-20th-2003, 11:08 PM
#34
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Originally posted by Mach 1
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as far as I know, theres not a lot out there for these cars.
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as far as I know, theres not a lot out there for these cars.
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there is at least one manufacturer for every single upgradable part for our cars anywhere in the world... the only things that are still a bit shakey are: motor mounts, clutch lines, exhaust mid pipe
not a lot there for our cars my ***
June-21st-2003, 02:54 AM
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My solution for everyone:
Buy a pre-owned sport bike. (I recommend a '98 Yamaha R6, cause its my favorite
)
You'll spend under $4K for a beautiful beast that can do a 1/4 mile in 12s or lower.
Buy a pre-owned sport bike. (I recommend a '98 Yamaha R6, cause its my favorite
)You'll spend under $4K for a beautiful beast that can do a 1/4 mile in 12s or lower.
Last edited by redrims; June-21st-2003 at 02:58 AM.
June-21st-2003, 07:04 AM
#36
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Originally posted by redrims
My solution for everyone:
Buy a pre-owned sport bike. (I recommend a '98 Yamaha R6, cause its my favorite)
You'll spend under $4K for a beautiful beast that can do a 1/4 mile in 12s or lower.
My solution for everyone:
Buy a pre-owned sport bike. (I recommend a '98 Yamaha R6, cause its my favorite
)You'll spend under $4K for a beautiful beast that can do a 1/4 mile in 12s or lower.
June-21st-2003, 07:11 AM
#37
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Originally posted by Installshield
Mach 1, basically every bolt on you mentioned is available. the cams from the J-spec FS-ZE are not aggressive enough to cause noticable low end torque losses. at least 3 different intakes, a number of different header kits, 4+ cat back exhuasts, J-spec intake manifold, cams + adjustable cam gears, a few custom throttle bodies are being developed, are all available...
The people that gained 20hp didn't use a fart can and a new air filter...that is what I was semi stabbing at with reading all of the posts...
an example....
Phantom Cruiser gained about 22whp and 15lb/ft of torque with A bosal header, a pair of the J-spec cams, and a magnaflow muffler...the car was dyno'd and achieved these gains before the RB cat-back and intake where installed...The dyno shows gains across the board with no loss in lowend torque...
Mach 1, basically every bolt on you mentioned is available. the cams from the J-spec FS-ZE are not aggressive enough to cause noticable low end torque losses. at least 3 different intakes, a number of different header kits, 4+ cat back exhuasts, J-spec intake manifold, cams + adjustable cam gears, a few custom throttle bodies are being developed, are all available...
The people that gained 20hp didn't use a fart can and a new air filter...that is what I was semi stabbing at with reading all of the posts...
an example....
Phantom Cruiser gained about 22whp and 15lb/ft of torque with A bosal header, a pair of the J-spec cams, and a magnaflow muffler...the car was dyno'd and achieved these gains before the RB cat-back and intake where installed...The dyno shows gains across the board with no loss in lowend torque...
June-21st-2003, 01:13 PM
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I am sorry about the latter posts, I didn't realize that you where unaware of some of the gains people were achieving with a relatively small investment compared to FI...And like mentioned above pretty much everything is available from at least on manufacturer...
Also depending on the price of the header, which I can't remember, and if the install was done by her or friends or whatever (meaning no charge) she probably spent less than $600...
Also depending on the price of the header, which I can't remember, and if the install was done by her or friends or whatever (meaning no charge) she probably spent less than $600...
Last edited by Installshield; June-21st-2003 at 01:18 PM.
June-21st-2003, 01:33 PM
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it's sorry that some people don't read what's there, what works, what doesn't and are "too good" to search or read the faq 
the result is their posts sounding completely fucktarded
the result is their posts sounding completely fucktarded
Originally posted by Installshield
I am sorry about the latter posts, I didn't realize that you where unaware of some of the gains people were achieving with a relatively small investment compared to FI...And like mentioned above pretty much everything is available from at least on manufacturer...
Also depending on the price of the header, which I can't remember, and if the install was done by her or friends or whatever (meaning no charge) she probably spent less than $600...
I am sorry about the latter posts, I didn't realize that you where unaware of some of the gains people were achieving with a relatively small investment compared to FI...And like mentioned above pretty much everything is available from at least on manufacturer...
Also depending on the price of the header, which I can't remember, and if the install was done by her or friends or whatever (meaning no charge) she probably spent less than $600...
June-21st-2003, 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by TheMAN
it's sorry that some people don't read what's there, what works, what doesn't and are "too good" to search or read the faq
the result is their posts sounding completely fucktarded
it's sorry that some people don't read what's there, what works, what doesn't and are "too good" to search or read the faq
the result is their posts sounding completely fucktarded
I didnt see the sign at the beginning that said it was mandatory to read and study the entire frequently asked question section before posting...oh whats that, it doesnt exist........
moron
June-21st-2003, 04:43 PM
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Oh, I'm sorry, was I talking about you?
June-21st-2003, 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Mach 1
Its sorry that your such an arrogant *******. These boards are for people to ask questions and discuss things and learn stuff.
I didnt see the sign at the beginning that said it was mandatory to read and study the entire frequently asked question section before posting...oh whats that, it doesnt exist........
moron
Its sorry that your such an arrogant *******. These boards are for people to ask questions and discuss things and learn stuff.
I didnt see the sign at the beginning that said it was mandatory to read and study the entire frequently asked question section before posting...oh whats that, it doesnt exist........
moron
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June-21st-2003, 04:56 PM
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keep up the bullshit, and this is gonna get locked. get it back ontopic, or let it die.
get it back ontopic, or let it die.
June-22nd-2003, 07:22 PM
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The only reason it is a 10k engine is because of the hundreds of hours of work they did to custom make virtually every part. Most of which can be done in street legal applications such as the intake manifold.
I have the knowledge to get it done as I have my father work with me every step of the way, so between his almost 30yrs of automotive experience and my 2 yrs =P I think I can work things out.
For example my short term plans are:
already have the CAI, Ractive catback(which only cost me 107 brand new) headers, cams(intake only if I cant find exhaust) intake manifold, pulley and clutch to be able to hold the power gains. also along the way better fuel pumps and all the other odds and ends to make the new modifcations run as stable and put out to the peak potential as much as possible.
I am the first to admit I am an uber n00b when it comes to most hard tuning and especially the p5 as I have owned mine a whopping 5 or 6 weeks. It just seems some people can go without assuming everything most people say is bs, you never know if they read it or saw it somewhere you might not have looked b4. Not likely in my case but whatever.
Thx to all those who gave straightforward answers =)
BTW: Pseudo I know you said this in another thread (at least I think it was you) that mentioned the most restrictive parts of the p5 system, what were they again? much appreciated.
I have the knowledge to get it done as I have my father work with me every step of the way, so between his almost 30yrs of automotive experience and my 2 yrs =P I think I can work things out.
For example my short term plans are:
already have the CAI, Ractive catback(which only cost me 107 brand new) headers, cams(intake only if I cant find exhaust) intake manifold, pulley and clutch to be able to hold the power gains. also along the way better fuel pumps and all the other odds and ends to make the new modifcations run as stable and put out to the peak potential as much as possible.
I am the first to admit I am an uber n00b when it comes to most hard tuning and especially the p5 as I have owned mine a whopping 5 or 6 weeks. It just seems some people can go without assuming everything most people say is bs, you never know if they read it or saw it somewhere you might not have looked b4. Not likely in my case but whatever.
Thx to all those who gave straightforward answers =)
BTW: Pseudo I know you said this in another thread (at least I think it was you) that mentioned the most restrictive parts of the p5 system, what were they again? much appreciated.
June-22nd-2003, 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by p5sunDevil
BTW: Pseudo I know you said this in another thread (at least I think it was you) that mentioned the most restrictive parts of the p5 system, what were they again? much appreciated.
BTW: Pseudo I know you said this in another thread (at least I think it was you) that mentioned the most restrictive parts of the p5 system, what were they again? much appreciated.
And as mentioned 600+ times before, no single mod will give incredible gains, at least not with NA...You need at least a few eggs to make a good omelet...