DanMan

So pretty much since I joined this chat forum, I've been told any expectations of moderate performance for my 2000 1.6 Lx protege are out of reach. But I still ahve more questions. I like my car and I will change it to siut my needs. I know the motor mounts for the 2.0 FS-ZE engines and the 1.6 engine motor mounts are diff. But besides ordering the engine and installation which i estimate to be about 1,600 in the end. How much would it be to change my engine compartment to 2.0 specs. I havent encountered a 1.6 owner to do this mod yet so all I'm expecting is guess, but if you just gonna tell me not to do it, and get a new car then don't reply cause I'm not gonna do it.

carguycw

I would also recommend calling either a friendly dealer and/or Mazdaspeed Motorsports Development (formerly known as Mazda Motorsports) and checking a bunch of parts numbers. I don't know anyone who has done this swap, so the parts differences between the 1.6L and the 1.8L/2.0L are not well documented. I would start by checking the halfshafts and intermediate shaft; if these are different, there is a good chance that the front hubs, spindles and brakes are different too. The 1.8L/2.0L front brakes are larger than the 1.6L front brakes; even if the 1.6L brakes will fit, you might want to swap them anyway because of the 2.0L's extra weight.

There is a good chance you will need a new tranny. According to the service manual specs, all automatic G3 Pros use the same type of tranny, and the 99-00 1.8L manual tranny is the same type as the 1.6L (the 2.0L uses a G-series manual tranny, but the 99-00 1.8L F-type tranny will fit an FS-ZE). However, just because the trannies are the same type does not mean that you can bolt a 1.6L tranny to a 2.0L engine. The bellhousings and/or input shafts may be different. Again, nobody knows. I would try to find a dealer or junkyard that would let you test fit a 1.6L tranny to a 1.8L or 2.0L engine and see if it will work.

I also support the idea of buying an entire wrecked 1.8L or 2.0L car, or working out a deal with a junkyard to trade your 1.6L parts for 2.0L parts (they may be willing to do this because there are a lot more 1.6L's on the road, meaning higher demand for used parts). Buying all the little, miscellaneous parts new from a dealer may cost a fortune.

BTW do you plan to swap your automatic tranny for a manual? You may be disappointed at the FS-ZE's performance when coupled to an automatic.

Good luck!

zeus

That’s good advice on how to go about a non-standard engine swap, but if I had a 2000 model I’d stop thinking about it. It’s just my personal opinion that it’s too new to go hosing it up already. If you do it anyway, just be fully prepared to encounter all kinds of problems and do a lot of custom fabrication. I’m not saying don’t do it, just be prepared to except the problems that go along with it. Carguy pretty much spelled them out too, but be aware you could end up with something as simple as a radiator hose becoming a real problem.

If you can except the problems and are prepared and capable of dealing with them, go all out. Get a JDM front clip off a Nissan or DSM. Something that you can get performance parts for. The clip will also give you an ECU, transmission and all the bits and pieces you’ll need, as well as a good guide on how to fit it. In the long run it won’t take much more custom work than a FZ, but the performance will be greater. Potentially a lot greater. You may even find the purchase price to be lower than an FZ, which I haven’t heard of clips being available for yet. Good luck and best wishes.

eeterp

did someone read sport compact car this month?

FZ? Do you mean FS-ZE?



I say go for it. You can get the engine mounts and you have good resources for tranny questions (Eric F) etc etc. There isn't all that much different between the 2000 1.8L and 1.6L engine bays and obviously you can easily put an FS-ZE in the 1.8 proteges.

Doesn't the manuel have some basic diagrams of of the 1.6 and 1.8?

DanMan

ya, thanks for the help, i realize that there could very well be alot of complicatins, and ya i would put in a manual, in the end. Ok I', just starting to really get into Tunning and I 'm not yet familiar with the term front clip, I could guess but like I siad I'm a moron so I'm sure I'm wrong, but I always thought or swapping a eclipse engine in from a 96-98, or a mabey dreaming of a SRDET20 S13 or even better S14 motor set up but found that that would mean to many, custom fabrications I think, I would really hope i could avoid all of this and jst hope and pray that mazdaspeed makes a turbo, blower or supercharger but I belive now that this will never happen, Do you think the interior of MP3 can be transferred I can do that real cheap. I amy in the end just trade it in for a used Nissan SE-R V-spec i don't what any of ya say, Nissan is better than honda, equal to Mazda and Mitsu. I like Nissan my First car was a Pulsar 1.8l with 135Hp and I had a few mods on it intake, exhuast, headers some other stuff it was mass fast, but bad compression and some other problems that ment performing brain surgery on the engine

zeus

You go Dan, I like your spirt. A front clip is the whole front end and drive line, less body work and crap. Sometimes it'll have prop shafts as well, and should always have the matching ECU. They'll have about 60-80Km on them from japan, but are running. Terp's right, pick up a copy of SCC, or Import Tuner. They're always talking engine swaps and clip availablity. Good source of info, but they cover the same crap over and over. Still be aware you're in new territory with this swap, you won't find anyone who's done it already to get advice from.

It sounds like you should consider an older civic as a project car too. I can't believe I just wrote that, but their an excellent car for a beginer tuner. They're cheap, there's parts out the gazoo for em, and with a little work are very fun to drive. I must admit I've had two, and loved em. My last one was an 88 sohc hatch, that just broke into the 14s. I had less than $8k in it, and most of that was stereo. Best of all it didn't give up the goast till 265,000 miles. I was impressed. Still waiting to see if the P5 is going to be as good. In fact Mazda can thank Honda for selling me a P5, because it remined me of my civic, just better.

RebelRacing

If I were you (though I'm not) I'd snag a 2.0L J-spec engine from
www.corksport.com
think 170 hp (approx.) with less than 30 000 mi. with ECU and wire-harness.
Buy a few mounts and misc. items and you got one hot Pro!

carguycw

OK, a few more things to add to address some comments:

First, the service manual does have diagrams for the wiring and things like vacuum hose routing. However, it may be chock full of info on how to FIX a car, but doesn't tell you which 1.6L parts will fit a 2.0L or vice versa.

Second, this swap shouldn't involve custom fabrication. Comparing this to something crazy like an SR20 swap is bogus. This swap can theoretically be accomplished by swapping stock parts- no cutting, welding or custom axles required. It's just a matter of determining which stock parts to swap

Also, I didn't bring this up earlier because of the content of the original message ("don't tell me to get a new car") but I'm going to say it anyway- consider getting a new car Swap projects like this one rarely make financial sense unless you're dealing with a car that has abundant junkyard parts support, and most late-model vehicles don't fit this description. If you want to swap and tinker, buy an old Civic like zeus said. If you add up the cost of the parts required to swap an FS-ZE to the original cost of your car, you will probably wind up with a total amount that could buy you a used M3

No offense. Just think about it

DanMan

Awsome help guy's. Well I'm not gonna doing anything expensice now just Weapon R CAI I think there better then Ijen, and the Bosal Cat back, but I don't like Bosal are there anyother exhuast that fit proteges