Manual Transaxle Fluid Change
#46
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Don't worry it's tight, made sure of it. And if it was leaking there would be fluid all over the parking spot and there was nothing but the stuff that originnally spilled out from the change, plus the parking lot at my work is spotless from oil stains, I can't say that about the rest of the shop as there si collant everywhere, but there isn't a spot anywhere that would show that almost 3 quarts spilled out.
The clutch was going long before the change, but nothing bad, only slipped when you dropped it while reving the engine hard. Otherwise it held fine. Plus it wasn't slipping yesterday, kinda scared to drive the car now, as it still works.
The only thing I can guess was the oil probly was major **** and the temp killed it. As when I drove it after changing the oil, it was nice and cool outside and it was perfect, when I drove it to work in the mornign it was really chilly and it was perfect and very responsive, but when I was leaving work, it was really hot, much hotter then before (60 vs like 85). Only thing that really change was the temp. And it looked like pretty old oil, as the bottle had sediments on the bottom. If that was the case I'm going to bring the oil back to the store and demand a refund, as he brought the stuff from the back, who nows how messed up it was, the seals were even broken I didn't make anything of it. The only thing Is I don't have the recipt or original bottles anymore. If they don't except it, thye'll have a major clean up job at the main entrance, there is no way I'm taking that stuff home with me. (belive me I'm pissed off at autozone enough to the point where I wouldn't have a problem doing this).
Plus now I'm leaving on vacation so I won't be able to work on it. Guess it will have to sit till I come back next saturday.
The clutch was going long before the change, but nothing bad, only slipped when you dropped it while reving the engine hard. Otherwise it held fine. Plus it wasn't slipping yesterday, kinda scared to drive the car now, as it still works.
The only thing I can guess was the oil probly was major **** and the temp killed it. As when I drove it after changing the oil, it was nice and cool outside and it was perfect, when I drove it to work in the mornign it was really chilly and it was perfect and very responsive, but when I was leaving work, it was really hot, much hotter then before (60 vs like 85). Only thing that really change was the temp. And it looked like pretty old oil, as the bottle had sediments on the bottom. If that was the case I'm going to bring the oil back to the store and demand a refund, as he brought the stuff from the back, who nows how messed up it was, the seals were even broken I didn't make anything of it. The only thing Is I don't have the recipt or original bottles anymore. If they don't except it, thye'll have a major clean up job at the main entrance, there is no way I'm taking that stuff home with me. (belive me I'm pissed off at autozone enough to the point where I wouldn't have a problem doing this).
Plus now I'm leaving on vacation so I won't be able to work on it. Guess it will have to sit till I come back next saturday.
#47
No, the problem is the Mobil 1. Depending on how sensitive your transmission is, (the third gen's are more sensitive to this) any Gear lubricant specifying GL5 will over long term use cause damage to your transmission. The GL5 specification calls for enhanced additives over the GL4 specification, but GL5 also contains molybdenum disulfide which wreaks havoc on "yellow" metal transmissions (brass or bronze synchros). That compound also causes the horrible stench you mentioned in gear oil. And depending on how rough you are on your transmission, that compound breaks down and forms sulfuric acid in your transmission. And that just does not properly lubricate the synchros and small bearings in our trannies, and slowly starts to eat them away. The use of "yellow" metals in our transmissions is what makes them a weak spot on our cars in the first place.
If you want to have the benefits of the GL5 specification without all of the problems, the only company that I am aware of that makes a GL5 without molybdenum disufide is Amsoil. Look for their Series 2000 GL5. Shifts way better than Mobil 1.
Just a thought.....
If you want to have the benefits of the GL5 specification without all of the problems, the only company that I am aware of that makes a GL5 without molybdenum disufide is Amsoil. Look for their Series 2000 GL5. Shifts way better than Mobil 1.
Just a thought.....
#48
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Hmm, interesting, but if what you say is true, I'm draining that **** right now and getting something else. The thing I find strange is that the haynes repair manual lists GL5 as the recomended lubricant. Oh well I'll probly have to try and find that amsoil somewhere. My luck.
#49
Haynes lists GL5, but my owner's manual lists GL4. GL4 still stinks, but from a different chemical compound. I am sure more companies sell a synthetic GL5 without "moly" but I am not sure. I buy from Amsoil all of the time, I will try and find a dealer in your area for you.
#51
Re: Gear Oil Ratings
When switching to synthetic transmission oil, if you use the Red Line brand, the correct type for our cars is MT-90. This is a 75W90 GL-4 rated gear oil.
According to Red Line, "The additive chemistry used is non-corrosive, so even though they [referring both to MT-90 and MTL which is the same except for being a 70W80 rated gear oil] will provide GL-4 performance, they will not corrode synchros or bushings. Because of its low corrosivity, Red Line MTL and MT-90 could also be used in transmissions requiring GL-1 or GL-3 lubricants. Seal compatibility is designed to be similar to petroleum-based lubricants."
Therefore, Red Line MT-90 should be a completely safe synthetic lubricant to use in our transmissions meeting the OEM requirements. This is not to say that other synthetics might not be just as suitable, but since I personally used Red Line, this is the only one I researched.
Check out their website at www.redlineoil.com
02 DX Millenium Red
MP3 Strut Tower Bar kit
Kartboy Shifter Bushings
Suvlights Heavy Duty Wiring Harness
Osram Silverstar H4 Bulbs
Red Line MT-90 Gear Oil (stick now moves like an eel in oil)
5Zigen FNO1R-C 16" Wheels
Yokohama AVS ES 100 205/45-16's
Modified OEM Air Intake
According to Red Line, "The additive chemistry used is non-corrosive, so even though they [referring both to MT-90 and MTL which is the same except for being a 70W80 rated gear oil] will provide GL-4 performance, they will not corrode synchros or bushings. Because of its low corrosivity, Red Line MTL and MT-90 could also be used in transmissions requiring GL-1 or GL-3 lubricants. Seal compatibility is designed to be similar to petroleum-based lubricants."
Therefore, Red Line MT-90 should be a completely safe synthetic lubricant to use in our transmissions meeting the OEM requirements. This is not to say that other synthetics might not be just as suitable, but since I personally used Red Line, this is the only one I researched.
Check out their website at www.redlineoil.com
02 DX Millenium Red
MP3 Strut Tower Bar kit
Kartboy Shifter Bushings
Suvlights Heavy Duty Wiring Harness
Osram Silverstar H4 Bulbs
Red Line MT-90 Gear Oil (stick now moves like an eel in oil)
5Zigen FNO1R-C 16" Wheels
Yokohama AVS ES 100 205/45-16's
Modified OEM Air Intake
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so basically we shouldn't use mobil 1 syntec..
Is their somewhere online that we can buy this
I found this site online
http://www.firstlubes.com/G50.pdf
Is their somewhere online that we can buy this
Amsoil 2000 GLS
http://www.firstlubes.com/G50.pdf
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Bakc from vacation. This year it was more boring hten anything, but sure was relaxing as hell. Got a nice tan spending time at the beach all day, and not too bad of a burn, almost nothing, not bad for my really white self. I'm happy with the vacation, don't really feel like going back to work on monday, I don't even want to think such a thing si going to happen .
Anyway, I was going to buy regular petrolium oil, but the **** at auto zone told me the yhave mobile 1, so I got it thinking it might be better then just the regular stuff, turns out I was wrong. Man I have the oil in a nice big jar, man do I want to chug it at his store. Last time I buying **** from them. Besides that I bought the redline mt-90 oil, mainly beacuse I found a store and it was cheaper the amsoil, as long as it says no corrosive it works for me, I hope my transaxle isn't too messed up bacause of that. .
Thanks for the help!
Anyway, I was going to buy regular petrolium oil, but the **** at auto zone told me the yhave mobile 1, so I got it thinking it might be better then just the regular stuff, turns out I was wrong. Man I have the oil in a nice big jar, man do I want to chug it at his store. Last time I buying **** from them. Besides that I bought the redline mt-90 oil, mainly beacuse I found a store and it was cheaper the amsoil, as long as it says no corrosive it works for me, I hope my transaxle isn't too messed up bacause of that. .
Thanks for the help!
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Got the redline oil today, I'll be filling it most likely tomorrow as I'm working on my breaks, can't get bolts off as of now, I'll find a way eventually, as I need to badly replace the lug bolts and clean off the rotors and calipers (paint these also before my new wheels arive). once I get the bolts off it should be too long. I miss driving my car. I got to drive my moms 2002 Camry, but it's just not the same. I miss driving the pro, it's just something about how it handles and feels.
#57
So I am taking back the 75w90ns redline oil I just bought to get MT90 before I put it in.
So this is a fill it til you spill it job? Can anyone confirm this? I've heard too much can damage seals...
So this is a fill it til you spill it job? Can anyone confirm this? I've heard too much can damage seals...
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