94 protege not starting
March-4th-2005, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by topfile
So ...Bunyan goes to the trouble to join theforum just to post this one and only comment.
Interesting, hey?
Low.. many times the head is warped which can complicate
things. As ya know, a local machine shop could help with this
part.
Some years back a friend of mine replaced the head gasket
on a his 1983 2.4l toyota celica. It was his first time with it and he
did a great job. He said the hardest part was was probably the
getting the head rebuilt, which he didn't even do.
As I remember he had a little install help from his father-inlaw.
Keep us posted.
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hahahahaha yeah man bunyan is my cuz ...... But umm cuz go fix that damn linclon fool .....
But yeah I am going to take it off this weekend and replace the head gasket , I don't know if I will do anything to the head , I might just get one from the junk yard or i might take it to a shop to get it checked...
March-4th-2005, 10:42 AM
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Well if you've done the timing belt, you've done some of the more dificult work to doing a headgasket. You have to pull all of that off again, but then it's pretty much wiring harness, fuel railes, exhaust and intake manifolds. That's definitely the "brief" version, but the point is if you can do the timing belt I'm sure you have the mechanical "prowess" to tackle the headgasket. Just follow the steps carefully in the manual. I prefer Haynes because they have more visual, but whatever your preference.
Topfile backed me up on the warping and he's dead on. If you're going to go through the hassle of pulling it apart, spend the extra $$ to have the head checked by a machine shop. I would highly suggest taking both manifolds to have them checked/resurfaced as well. The money spent is well worth the lack of headache later.
Keep us posted...
Topfile backed me up on the warping and he's dead on. If you're going to go through the hassle of pulling it apart, spend the extra $$ to have the head checked by a machine shop. I would highly suggest taking both manifolds to have them checked/resurfaced as well. The money spent is well worth the lack of headache later.
Keep us posted...
March-4th-2005, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Proto93
Well if you've done the timing belt, you've done some of the more dificult work to doing a headgasket. You have to pull all of that off again, but then it's pretty much wiring harness, fuel railes, exhaust and intake manifolds. That's definitely the "brief" version, but the point is if you can do the timing belt I'm sure you have the mechanical "prowess" to tackle the headgasket. Just follow the steps carefully in the manual. I prefer Haynes because they have more visual, but whatever your preference.
Topfile backed me up on the warping and he's dead on. If you're going to go through the hassle of pulling it apart, spend the extra $$ to have the head checked by a machine shop. I would highly suggest taking both manifolds to have them checked/resurfaced as well. The money spent is well worth the lack of headache later.
Keep us posted...
Topfile backed me up on the warping and he's dead on. If you're going to go through the hassle of pulling it apart, spend the extra $$ to have the head checked by a machine shop. I would highly suggest taking both manifolds to have them checked/resurfaced as well. The money spent is well worth the lack of headache later.
Keep us posted...
hey man it is the ex-wifes car she is lucky i'm doing it at all... But i will just put the gasket on and let it roll and if it blows up she will just have to get another car...
March-12th-2005, 07:16 PM
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Hey I got it running..... I replaced the head gasket and she fired right up... I just want to say thanks for all the help..... Put i ahve to replace the o-rings on the injectors because two of them are leaking where they connect to the full rail.... I was wondering if the o-rings that came in the head gasket set are for the injectors?
lol...
March-13th-2005, 09:27 PM
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I put the new o-rings on the injectors and no more leaks... But I still have another problem with the car... I belive she drove it with aqny oil for a while so now the valves are tipping like crazy and the car doesn't want to stay started.. I believe i have a vacuum leak some where and thats why it won't stay running... But what can I do about the tipping valves.. The book said they are self adjusting hydrolic lifters I think...
Hey bunyan
Hey bunyan
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March-14th-2005, 07:02 PM
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Call yourself blessed if all it was with the compression leak was the head gasket. Knowing that the car was overheated just before you started having the no-start problem would mean to me more than just a gasket replacement. While I had the cylinder head off, I would have taken it to a machine shop to have it resurfaced(also known as having them brushed). After a severe overheating what happens is that the actual metal of the cylinder head warps like this ")" instead of being flat like this "l" . It's too minor a warping for your eyes to see it but it's big enough for compression to escape. I'm talking about where the lower surface of the head meets the engine block's face. Had you taken it to a machine shop for resurfacing, not only would you have made sure it was flat, any tapping little sounds would have been corrected at the time since they always check for that and let you know if you need something like valves, or whatever. Since there could have been damage there due to the overheating or from being there even before the overheating problem, the tappin-type problem would have been corrected then and there. I wish I had seen this post before I did. I've had to do this three times. I did it twice with my own cars and once for a friend's.
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March-15th-2005, 11:34 AM
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manyydingo - we wnet over all that (read through the whole thread, you'll see why it wasn't taken that far) 
low - it might be a vacuum leak. I mentioned before about having the intake checked/resurfaced in hopes they might find that before it was a problem. There is a couple ways to check though. CAREFULLY spray quick blasts of carb cleaner around the intake manifold where the gsket is between it and the head. If the rpms fluctuate accordingly, there's a leak. A local guy I know uses a small amount of propane around the gasket. I've never tried it and can't say I would off hand.
As far as the tapping of the valves? Could be burned valves form the overheat. The fastest/cheapest "fix" (I use that losely) is try the next step thicker oil.
Other than that I refer to your post ,"hey man it is the ex-wifes car she is lucky i'm doing it at all... But i will just put the gasket on and let it roll and if it blows up she will just have to get another car..."
low - it might be a vacuum leak. I mentioned before about having the intake checked/resurfaced in hopes they might find that before it was a problem. There is a couple ways to check though. CAREFULLY spray quick blasts of carb cleaner around the intake manifold where the gsket is between it and the head. If the rpms fluctuate accordingly, there's a leak. A local guy I know uses a small amount of propane around the gasket. I've never tried it and can't say I would off hand.
As far as the tapping of the valves? Could be burned valves form the overheat. The fastest/cheapest "fix" (I use that losely) is try the next step thicker oil.
Other than that I refer to your post ,"hey man it is the ex-wifes car she is lucky i'm doing it at all... But i will just put the gasket on and let it roll and if it blows up she will just have to get another car..."
March-15th-2005, 01:57 PM
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Proto, you may be right or you may be wrong but one thing you have to admit: If you take off a cylinder head after an overheating, the next step is to take it to a machine shop. After all the work of taking it out, can you imagine putting it back in with the new headgasket only to find it had warped and the head gasket isn't enough to seal the compression leak? They charge about $75 per head here and I have also paid cheaper than that. For his/her sake, I hope it's what you're saying. If not, let's stick to the ex-wife having to deal with her own problems from there. Well, unless she's a real sweetheart and YOU were the jerk. 
March-17th-2005, 03:58 PM
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I hear ya dawg and I would have taking it to the shop if it was mine own car but yes it is the ex-wifes car so she was short ... I had to pay for the parts myself so she was saving out big time... Oh yeah she is not a sweetheart but yes I am a devil but she never knew that about me ....LOL But i just told her that she needs to be looking for a new ride .. Then i'm going to take the protege and finish the work on it but put I was thinking about putting the dual over head on it ... What do I have to do to swap heads ?