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What would you like to see for our cars??
This is a simple thread to see what performance pieces you guys would like to see made/sold for our cars. I'll check my connections and see what I can get done. Just leave your comments here.
1. Custom ITB intake manifold |
bump....anyone?? Topher?? MACDADDY??
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2. larger throttle body
here's an example of an aftermarker focus 65mm throttle body, made by focus-central: http://www.focus-central.com/assets/...L-65TB_NEW.jpg |
What is the opening size on the intake manifold?? I may be able to get this for us...I'll see if I can measure the opening on the intake mani and see what would fit well. I' have done this on other cars and it doesn't produce much of a gain until the upper rpm's. Turbo cars will see a good gain. Anyone know what the stock TB size is?? I think a 60-65mm would be good. I'll see what I can do.
What do you think a fair price is for something like this so I'll know what kind of budget to work with. |
Originally posted by Roddimus Prime What is the opening size on the intake manifold?? I may be able to get this for us...I'll see if I can measure the opening on the intake mani and see what would fit well. I' have done this on other cars and it doesn't produce much of a gain until the upper rpm's. Turbo cars will see a good gain. Anyone know what the stock TB size is?? I think a 60-65mm would be good. I'll see what I can do. What do you think a fair price is for something like this so I'll know what kind of budget to work with. 2. gains are good as well as a better response from the throttle body (this was noticeable on both the 65mm & 70mm FC throttle bodies we had on our turbo focus) 3. don't know 4. cool! thanks. |
you just clarified my point....the gains were good on a TURBO car. I'd like to see what a larger TB makes on just a NA car with an intake.
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hmmm....
1. Any Performance parts for the 1.6L 2. Any Performance parts for the 1.6L 3. Any Performance parts for the 1.6L 4. .... get the idea ? P.S. A larger Throttle Boy will do jack sh** on an NA unless its so highly modified that its not even streetable |
Originally posted by Roddimus Prime you just clarified my point....the gains were good on a TURBO car. I'd like to see what a larger TB makes on just a NA car with an intake. :rolleyes: this is one of the reasons i love being a member of the protege community--> P.S. A larger Throttle Boy will do jack sh** on an NA unless its so highly modified that its not even streetable |
Supercharger.
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I like the idea of teh intake mani, as long as its affordable and the numbers are there. I wouldnt bother with the TB a few companies already make them although competition seems to drive the prices down. For a company to begin making a new product that already exists though may not be worth it for them with the limited market of buyers actually willing to drop a few $$. More internal parts are always wanted but I just dont see the market there to make it worth the manufacturers R&D costs. But if you can get anything made by all means go for it
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Originally posted by markmurray77 I like the idea of teh intake mani, as long as its affordable and the numbers are there. I wouldnt bother with the TB a few companies already make them although competition seems to drive the prices down. For a company to begin making a new product that already exists though may not be worth it for them with the limited market of buyers actually willing to drop a few $$. More internal parts are always wanted but I just dont see the market there to make it worth the manufacturers R&D costs. But if you can get anything made by all means go for it thanks for helping yO. |
corksport, and essential bores them out
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oh and AutoEXE, thread jack is over
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what is the stock size of the TB and what do they bore them to? This isn't OT....this is helping.
I planned on buying a few 60-65mm TB's from other cars and creating an adapter plate/spacer to fit it up....my cost would be the TB and the adapter plate...possibly a $.35 gasket also... |
just to make a point. Corksport already offers a bigger TB for the 2.0L, its a bit expensive, but they are developing their own which should be affordable. My response has nothing to do with enthusiasm. This is not the first car i've tried to modify. I had 280z and 280zx which had lots more aftermarket support and motor swaps,etc..I did the popular TB swap from the 240sx...It did NOTHING for the car...I regretted doing it and it only costed me like $60...a TB for this car will be MUCH more and yield even less(well maybe not, cant be less than nothing,lol) Trying to avoid you losing $250- $350 for a TB when it could be spent much more wisely if you want power
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I'm looking at $100 or so for a TB and mounting hardware.
I'm going to source up a bunch of Ford crown vic TB's... |
i never stated that i wanted 'more power' from a TB, i said
2. gains are good as well as a better response from the throttle body carry on. |
hhhaa, we have very little, but I appreciate the sarcasm! do we know what size Corksport is offering??
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CorkSport Power Series:
The 'Power Series' Throttle Body will be a great upgrade. Our 'Power Series' Throttle Bodies for other cars have shown to be beneficial by increase power and throttle response and an all around great upgrade in the past. The sizes can be increased 3 - 6mm (numbers to follow). Great for all models and a must have for Mazdaspeed models and cars with aftermarket turbo kits running substantial boost. $255.00 Flow increase percentage numbers on the way. -core process AutoEXE Big Bore TB Replaces the factory throttle body of 55mm to a 60mm unit. A great way for gaining power by adding more air. Also great on turbo models (Mazdaspeed Protege) or aftermarket turbo kits where flow is very important. $540.00 ~sarcasm is my weapon of choice~ |
wow, a 60mm for ONLY $540.....damn...what would guys say to a 65mm TB assembly (with needed bracketry and adapter) for $250-300?? That's easily HALF the cost of the other unit and adds more air??
Also, I can work something out if people want theirs polished or powdercoated. |
Please take note of Corksport's emphasis on "turbo"....ANY restriction in flow should be eliminated on a turbo'd engine. However any "performance parts" actual performance offered by an aftermarket company is almost always overstated. SRM claims 15-20 hp on the intake cams and 15-20 exhaust cams. You think these cams really make 30-40 hp?? Again I am basing my opinion on experience, and guess what? the throttle body on my z went from 55mm to 60 mm...NO GAIN,NO INCREASED THROTTLE RESPONSE. This was on a larger engine too. Dyno remained unchanged. However when i added a simple cone filter it jumped 7hp and 5 lb-ft of torque. If you want to buy it, I won't discourage you any longer. However if you want a suggestion as to where to invest your money next on a real gain, let me know
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LOL
so, i went out and flogged the car around for a while back and forth on the highway and i was thinking to myself, "self, what does this car need"? i came up with the following: 1. better variety of aftermarket parts-after all, variety is the spice of life. 2. better pricing on aftermarket parts-you would think that we protege owners have more $$ in our pockets than other lines of cars. 3. more things available in yellow-my personal bias 4. 5.0l/rwd swap kit-when all else fails. this is my current setup: Toyo Proxes T1-S 205/40/17 on Mille Miglia HT-3s Toyo Proxes FZ-4 205/45/16 on polished aluminum stock wheels 19mm Rear Sway Bar-SR (Shane Racing) Motorsports 4-2-1 Long Tube Header-Bosal Intake & Exhaust Camshafts-J-Spec & MazdaSpeed Short Shifter & Shifter Bushings-Kartboy Cat-Back Exhaust-Racing Beat Cold Air Intake w/cone filter-Ebay Special! Ignition Wires-SparkCo (RED) Coil-Overs-Skunk2 Spline Drive Lug Nuts-McGard Slotted Rotors-PowerSlot Brake Pads-Hawk HPS p.s. not all aftermarket parts are strictly for wheel hp gains, some are for driveability issues and handling...and what about all those appearance mods out there eh? i wouldn't buy anything that i did not deem appropriate for my particular setup. |
I'm not a big fan of "cosmetic" mods.....but having said that let me remind you guys aboout my powdercoating setvice!! hahaha. My intrest in performance parts is because I believe a car that looks fast should be fast....our cars already look fast, but can't back it up. If I can help make performance parts to back up the looks of the car I'll consider my life fulfilled.
a 5mm increase is probably not going to do anything, but a 10mm or so should make pretty nice gains on top end if you have a good intake on the car. I don't see how it couldn't do anything less than sparkplug wires that people are going out and spending money on. |
what is your goal ? plan on autocrossing ? or is it for light to light ?....just curious
seriously there are some things out there you may want to consider to make your car more enjoyable and $300-$400 could get you on your way. How about a stage 1 clutch or underdrive pulleys or adjustable cam gears to take full advantage of those cams, or some machine work like a 5 angle, port and polish, or some hc pistons, or deck the head to increase compression. All i beleive would be money well spent, especially in comparison to a bigger bore TB |
I don't believe a UDP is a worthy investment from my prior experiences. I just prefer removing the AC belt and then putting it back on later when I'm done racing.
My personal goals for the car are excellent street driving characteristics and weekend drag racing duty. I also like to do a lot of highway driving and the added umph of a larger TB will be more apparent for that. I agree about the other mods being good mods to have, but I'm looking at mods that I can manufacture and sell to the community for a profit. I'm trying to add a lot of value to my new website that will be opening shortly and custom products at a cheap price would do that for me. If for some reason someone was looking for a TB and saw the three side by side....which do you think they would choose?? Mine hopefully. |
drag racing, light to light, added highway performance, autoX, high speed touring, you name it, we've done it or will do it (but hey, i have several cars in the driveway to play with). i plan on keeping the protege for a while and it wouldn't hurt to get something new from time to time. i am definitely interested in getting the stage 2 cams, and probably doing hc pistons at the same time just for fun hahah! i just put a lot into my miata's suspension & handling capabilities, and we are converting the focus to a rwd/351w monster...
*heavy sigh* i'm a girl...i should be out buying shoes or something... ;) |
Originally posted by Phantom Cruiser *heavy sigh* i'm a girl...i should be out buying shoes or something... ;) |
Originally posted by macdaddyslomo the throttle body on my z went from 55mm to 60 mm...NO GAIN,NO INCREASED THROTTLE RESPONSE. This was on a larger engine too. Dyno remained unchanged. However when i added a simple cone filter it jumped 7hp and 5 lb-ft of torque. On my 4.0 V6 Ranger that I had (Paxton supercharged by the way), when I first started modding, I added a BBK 66mm TB as my first mod. This was up from the 55 or 60mm stock unit (i don't recall exactly), and I got nothing I could feel. I then added a larger MAF (also an idea for our car!), cone filter and intake tube, and whoa! it was a whole new truck. Exhaust came next, and that 4.0 would rev like it was a DOHC 4-banger! (well, maybe not... but close). Later, when parting it out to sell, I sold the TB before the rest of the stuff, and I definitely noticed a decrease in the ability to rev up and overall power. I guess what I'm saying, and I'm probably preaching to the choir here, is that it's possible that the TB stands to add some power, although if there's a bottleneck before it, you've got to address that first or else it won't do any good. |
about your ranger...you mentioned it's a supercharged truck....we all agree that a FI car is going to show larger gains than a NA car.
I think this is a mod that WILL show gains with a decent intake. More air is more air. Just imagine drinking a coke through a straw. One straw is .5" and the other straw is .75". Now assuming your lungs will suck in as much coke as you can feed it, which straw would you want in the bottle?? |
The supercharger came way later than the rest of the mods, and had already been removed when the TB was removed and I noticed the power decrease.
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oh ok....I have a buddy who races rangers here in Alabama. He is most-fast! He had a 3.0L on the bottle and a supercharged 4.0L 4WD that just killed all! Right now he's got a new stroker 4.0L (not sure what it is now) and they are going to run all bottle (2 stage 100hp-175hp shots). Stock 4wd ride height and generic flowmaster exhaust but this truck will HAUL!!
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Who's your buddy? I've been on Rangerpowersports.com for quite some time now, and I know several people are from the Birmingham area (I was actually born in B'ham, but only lived there until I was about 1). Doug Studdard has probably the fastest 4.0 on RPS (the Paxton I had once belonged to him), and Brian McKelvey has done a lot of work with custom S/C setups.
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DOUGY!!! Yeah, he and Chris Sanderson are who I'm refering to. Doug and Chris are putting the new stroker block into Chris' ranger....I think right now. I called them to see if we were racing last saturday and they were getting ready to drop it in. Haven't heard back from him since that saturday. I'll call him tomorrow and see how it's coming. Want me to get some pics for you?
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I'd say yeah to the pics, but I'm currently on a 56K connection :eek: , so I'll pass. That's funny though how circles of people work! Ask Doug's opinion about the gear ratio thing if you talk to him, I think he'd be able to give a qualified answer!
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true, I'll see what he says.
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hrmmm
roll cage spoilers for our "normal" protege front bumpers big brake kits for the 4 luggers out there |
03ProES.....Chris was out at the track Saturday night with his stock block 3.0L ranger and *fresh* autozone clutch!! it was funny!! He ran an 11.2s 1/8th mile! Now he's got his new intake, 75 NX shot and a stiffer clutch...should be interesteding to see!
Racing Beat--sounds good, i'm looking for stuff that I could potentially fabricate and spoilers and brakes aren't do-able for me, but that's not to say I can't get something done. What size rotors would you want for the 4-lugs?? and would this be a front disk ONLY kit or rear disc conversion...abs or no-abs?? |
Yeah, the older stock 3.0's weren't much to write home about. The new ones are decent, and have LOTS of potential with the WhippleCharger out now.
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he said he was thinking about doing the whiple charger....he's taken the Kenne Bell of his wife's car and might swap it for a whipple for his Ranger.....his 11.2 1/8th against my 10.53s....it was close though...it looked like he had a fender on me the whole time.
Hey, I'm not blowing smoke here or anything......that cat can drive man. I've riden with him and he puts me to shame. I thought I was awesome. He knows so much it's scary. Just looking at him you wouldn't think so, but that dude is a genious. |
Good to hear we can keep up with a V6! (who cares that its a truck:D ) Do you know what Chris's username is on RPS? I follow the 4.0 stuff, and don't know many of the 3.0 guys.
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