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June-27th-2003, 08:53 AM
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[i]go back to watchin fast n furious. [/B]
and also , there are some nice Celica's out there , I see a few every so often on 287 and and in/around the area. Mind you though , I am not all that kene on their styling.
But They are nice cars. I think you have said your peace, so don't get to ansy about your car and the VVTI , wich basically has the same purpose as VTEC..
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June-27th-2003, 09:23 AM
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Both on the celica and honda/acura forums, it's concluded that it's a drivers race between an rsx-s and celica gt-s. There have been SOOOO many posts between the two going back and forth, it's pretty much a wash. A type-S would not rape a GT-S 
A friend of mine has an '02 GT-S with CAI and Exhaust, it's very quick. Unfortunately for him though he has an '02, because there is a rev limiter or fuel cutoff set at 7800 I think, where as every other year celica can rev to I think 8200 or 8400.
A friend of mine has an '02 GT-S with CAI and Exhaust, it's very quick. Unfortunately for him though he has an '02, because there is a rev limiter or fuel cutoff set at 7800 I think, where as every other year celica can rev to I think 8200 or 8400.
June-27th-2003, 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by aZnRicer
i have yet to see a type r "annihilate" a celica gt-s. theyre almost identical (180 hp 2,500 lb 140 tq celica vs. 195 hp 2,639 lb 130 tq type r) they'd most likely meet each other at the finish line at the same time. check your sources before you talk ****.
toyotas VVTL-i (variable valve timing with lift intelligence) is more advanced than v-tech and WILL outperform any honda with the s2000 being an exception. using VVT technology, it's easy to get around 100hp per litre. v-tec technology found in the 2002 honda civic si alters only when the intake valve opens and closes throughout the rpm range, using just one camshaft profile whereas the vvtl-i builds on this with the use of two camshaft profiles — one for low- and mid-range rpm operation and another for the high-rpm range. The high-rpm cam starts at about 6,000 rpm. after redlining, and not even quick shifting, even below 4,000 rpms where you expect flat throttle response from the DOHC v-tec folk, you still get pull from vvtl-i.
i know what i'm saying when i say v-tec was produced mainly to save gas. **** on civics. honda should be ashamed.
as for the altima, don't get me started. they're caskets on wheels and they ARE family cars and thats their purpose. nissan should turn them into station wagons. i've had altimas their asses handed to em. and no, they arent lighter einstein. its almost 500 lbs heavier and theres no god dam way you would have even beaten your friend even if your altima was a stick shift. dont make up **** to spite the celica. go back to watchin fast n furious.
i have yet to see a type r "annihilate" a celica gt-s. theyre almost identical (180 hp 2,500 lb 140 tq celica vs. 195 hp 2,639 lb 130 tq type r) they'd most likely meet each other at the finish line at the same time. check your sources before you talk ****.
toyotas VVTL-i (variable valve timing with lift intelligence) is more advanced than v-tech and WILL outperform any honda with the s2000 being an exception. using VVT technology, it's easy to get around 100hp per litre. v-tec technology found in the 2002 honda civic si alters only when the intake valve opens and closes throughout the rpm range, using just one camshaft profile whereas the vvtl-i builds on this with the use of two camshaft profiles — one for low- and mid-range rpm operation and another for the high-rpm range. The high-rpm cam starts at about 6,000 rpm. after redlining, and not even quick shifting, even below 4,000 rpms where you expect flat throttle response from the DOHC v-tec folk, you still get pull from vvtl-i.
i know what i'm saying when i say v-tec was produced mainly to save gas. **** on civics. honda should be ashamed.
as for the altima, don't get me started. they're caskets on wheels and they ARE family cars and thats their purpose. nissan should turn them into station wagons. i've had altimas their asses handed to em. and no, they arent lighter einstein. its almost 500 lbs heavier and theres no god dam way you would have even beaten your friend even if your altima was a stick shift. dont make up **** to spite the celica. go back to watchin fast n furious.
okay answer me this question when did i ever say the altima was lighter? if you'd pay attention when reading you'd see that i said 240's are lighter than altimas, and I ALSO said that theyre family sedans which is what makes it worse that both celicas got beat by it gt and gts, and don't tell me what i have and haven't beaten aight? i beat the crap outta my friends celica plain and simple and this wasn't a little 55 mph race we went up to 120 (or i did) he got to about 118 and his car wouldn't go any faster.
and i never said i didn't like celicas my point to begin with was that you were comparing a modified celica to a stock accord any idiot should be able to tell you that the modified car would win so basing your whole argument on a modifed celica vs a stock accord is the dumbest thing i've ever heard
toyotas VVTL-i (variable valve timing with lift intelligence) is more advanced than v-tech and WILL outperform any honda with the s2000 being an exception.
and in my opinon i have more faith in the corolla beating a civic than in the celica beating the gsr
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June-27th-2003, 11:02 AM
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Isn't the S2000 a 2.0 with 240hp , which would be 120 per liter..
VTEC did that right ....
just checking
VTEC VVTI ... it's all the same ,----- they are used to help underachieved motors produce more power. point blank . Neither is better . I would just call them both even ...
or
you can look at it this way.... Neither motor would be **** without VVTI or VTEC....
VTEC did that right ....
just checking
VTEC VVTI ... it's all the same ,----- they are used to help underachieved motors produce more power. point blank . Neither is better . I would just call them both even ...
or
you can look at it this way.... Neither motor would be **** without VVTI or VTEC....
June-28th-2003, 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Bruce95fmla
VTEC VVTI ... it's all the same ,----- they are used to help underachieved motors produce more power. point blank . Neither is better . I would just call them both even ...
or
you can look at it this way.... Neither motor would be **** without VVTI or VTEC....
VTEC VVTI ... it's all the same ,----- they are used to help underachieved motors produce more power. point blank . Neither is better . I would just call them both even ...
or
you can look at it this way.... Neither motor would be **** without VVTI or VTEC....
toyota had yamaha supervise in the construction of the celica and the vvtl-i concept, most likely stolen from honda's v-tec. only difference is: toyota/yamaha might have taken honda's idea, but its still different, and what they took, they made it better
June-30th-2003, 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by Bruce95fmla
Isn't the S2000 a 2.0 with 240hp , which would be 120 per liter..
VTEC did that right ....
just checking
VTEC VVTI ... it's all the same ,----- they are used to help underachieved motors produce more power. point blank . Neither is better . I would just call them both even ...
or
you can look at it this way.... Neither motor would be **** without VVTI or VTEC....
Isn't the S2000 a 2.0 with 240hp , which would be 120 per liter..
VTEC did that right ....
just checking
VTEC VVTI ... it's all the same ,----- they are used to help underachieved motors produce more power. point blank . Neither is better . I would just call them both even ...
or
you can look at it this way.... Neither motor would be **** without VVTI or VTEC....
June-30th-2003, 08:51 AM
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The bottom line is that when comparing two cars. they both have to be either bone stock, slightly modded, or heavily modded. It can't be either or.
When comparing these two car companies (Toyota & Honda) they both are reliable in comparison. BUT....make sure the cars you are comparing are in the same catagory
Accord......Camry (Cpe. & Sedan) 4cyl. & V6
Civic.....Corolla (base)
Civic EX....Corolla S
Civic Cpe....Celica GT
RSX-S......Celica GTS
Insight....Echo
The only other cars that are left are in a completely different class.
Acura NSX
Honda S2000
Toyota Solara TRD....which is a nice car
Lexus GS 300/430
Lexus SC430
I have to admit though, if Honda made an 8 cyl. engine. the 430's would have a problem
And of course. The Supra. Base & Turbo. Which I have to admit, HONDA CANNOT COMPETE WITH
Not when running. You can't fairly compare a Altima with a Celica. I do believe the Altima would win in a straight line race but throw a couple dips and turns in there and the the Altima would have major problems keeping up. But where's the fun in that. Now, if the Altima ran with an Accord or Camry. that's where the fun begins. Or when a Celica runs with a Civis SI
When comparing these two car companies (Toyota & Honda) they both are reliable in comparison. BUT....make sure the cars you are comparing are in the same catagory
Accord......Camry (Cpe. & Sedan) 4cyl. & V6
Civic.....Corolla (base)
Civic EX....Corolla S
Civic Cpe....Celica GT
RSX-S......Celica GTS
Insight....Echo
The only other cars that are left are in a completely different class.
Acura NSX
Honda S2000
Toyota Solara TRD....which is a nice car
Lexus GS 300/430
Lexus SC430
I have to admit though, if Honda made an 8 cyl. engine. the 430's would have a problem
And of course. The Supra. Base & Turbo. Which I have to admit, HONDA CANNOT COMPETE WITH
Not when running. You can't fairly compare a Altima with a Celica. I do believe the Altima would win in a straight line race but throw a couple dips and turns in there and the the Altima would have major problems keeping up. But where's the fun in that. Now, if the Altima ran with an Accord or Camry. that's where the fun begins. Or when a Celica runs with a Civis SI
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June-30th-2003, 09:08 AM
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By the way....GUYS....c'mon on now....The insults aren't necessary. We're just having a friendly debate on which of these 4cyl. cars are faster..... 
WOW, which of these 4 CYL. cars are faster??
LOL
WOW, which of these 4 CYL. cars are faster??
LOL
June-30th-2003, 06:44 PM
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Not when running. You can't fairly compare a Altima with a Celica. I do believe the Altima would win in a straight line race but throw a couple dips and turns in there and the the Altima would have major problems keeping up. But where's the fun in that. Now, if the Altima ran with an Accord or Camry. that's where the fun begins. Or when a Celica runs with a Civis SI
i agree the times i beat those celicas it was just straight line racing but if there had been turns i prob would'a lost cuz that car is sucky in cornering
I know........
how did that happen
how did that happen
July-1st-2003, 12:36 AM
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all jokes aside.
then why is an altima being SPANKED by a stock 98 tiburon. now isnt the tiburon supposed to be slower than the celica? this is totally not bullshit because they raced about 3 different times b/c the guy with the altima kept saying he couldnt get a good launch. so everytime they were flagged to go, the tiburon waited for the altimas tires to stop spinning before she punched the gas. so are you saying the stock tiburon as well, can beat a celica gt-s?
July-1st-2003, 01:57 AM
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Re: all jokes aside.
Originally posted by aZnRicer
then why is an altima being SPANKED by a stock 98 tiburon. now isnt the tiburon supposed to be slower than the celica? this is totally not bullshit because they raced about 3 different times b/c the guy with the altima kept saying he couldnt get a good launch. so everytime they were flagged to go, the tiburon waited for the altimas tires to stop spinning before she punched the gas. so are you saying the stock tiburon as well, can beat a celica gt-s?
then why is an altima being SPANKED by a stock 98 tiburon. now isnt the tiburon supposed to be slower than the celica? this is totally not bullshit because they raced about 3 different times b/c the guy with the altima kept saying he couldnt get a good launch. so everytime they were flagged to go, the tiburon waited for the altimas tires to stop spinning before she punched the gas. so are you saying the stock tiburon as well, can beat a celica gt-s?
and the gt that my friend had was an auto so with almost 100% sureness i'll say i can whoop a gt and i dunno why the ones i raced were so slow? because i got beat by an old skool se-r and an older integra which both have 140hp same as the celica gt so i dunno why?
but on a side note if were dealing with altimas what about the new one? the 3.5 se i'd say that could take a gts
also if we are dealing with modified cars what if it was an altima with an sr20 motor in it?
also what trim level was the tiburon? because if its the new gt? (correct me if i'm wrong i dunno a whole lot about these cars) don't they have like at least 200hp also its a v6 right? so its got more torque and more power than the altima also it has to weight less so therefore it would beat it
aight i'm tired of this debate between altimas and celicas.........
lets just say this: altimas will win some races against celicas and celicas will win sum races against altimas in my PERSONAL opinon i'd take an altima over a celica anyday but thats just my opinon and from what you say i can safetly say you'd take a celica over an altima but think of it this way if there weren't differing views and likes and dislikes we'd all be driving the same cars therefore we couldn't have altima vs celica or protege vs civic or what ever other combo you can think up and thats what makes racing fun
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July-1st-2003, 07:56 AM
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Re: all jokes aside.
[QUOTE][B]then why is an altima being SPANKED by a stock 98 tiburon. now isnt the tiburon supposed to be slower than the celica? this is totally not bullshit because they raced about 3 different times b/c the guy with the altima kept saying he couldnt get a good launch. so everytime they were flagged to go, the tiburon waited for the altimas tires to stop spinning before she punched the gas. QUOTE]
That's the answer right there. The person in the Altima didn't know how to launch their car. If the car has that much torque, you have to know how to feather the clutch so the wheels won't spin as much.
That's the answer right there. The person in the Altima didn't know how to launch their car. If the car has that much torque, you have to know how to feather the clutch so the wheels won't spin as much.
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