P5 vs. Neon
April-20th-2003, 10:29 PM
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P5 vs. Neon
A friend of mine just moved in with his cousin, who has a 2000 Neon with exhaust and a computer chip. I don't know how much hp the exhaust got him, but the chip got him 35 fwhp. Total, his car has 185 fwhp (showed me the dyno chart).
Naturally he wanted to race (not to show off, just to see what a P5 does with minimal mods). So we pull out onto a deserted road, where a cop has literally never set foot nor tire. I guess he was in a hurry to race or somehing because instead of the normal 3.....2.....1.....GO! he goes 321GO! really fast. I wasn't expecting him to say it that fast so I wasn't quite ready. He launches before I do and backs off a little to let me catch up then stomps it. He pulled away a little bit up to 90mph, beating me by about a car length (maybe a little bit more). Yes, I lost, but his car has 185hpand mine has 140hp at the most. Not bad if you ask me. Plus, I wasn't even power shifting. Just the regular ole fast-action slappin at 6,500rpm. And, I wasn't able to launch at as high as RPM as I would've liked because he rushed the damn countdown.
Naturally he wanted to race (not to show off, just to see what a P5 does with minimal mods). So we pull out onto a deserted road, where a cop has literally never set foot nor tire. I guess he was in a hurry to race or somehing because instead of the normal 3.....2.....1.....GO! he goes 321GO! really fast. I wasn't expecting him to say it that fast so I wasn't quite ready. He launches before I do and backs off a little to let me catch up then stomps it. He pulled away a little bit up to 90mph, beating me by about a car length (maybe a little bit more). Yes, I lost, but his car has 185hpand mine has 140hp at the most. Not bad if you ask me. Plus, I wasn't even power shifting. Just the regular ole fast-action slappin at 6,500rpm. And, I wasn't able to launch at as high as RPM as I would've liked because he rushed the damn countdown.
May-4th-2003, 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Nigaud5sx
It isn't an R/T engine. It's the model of Neon that has all R/T stuff except the engine in the plain jane Neon engine. The chip is made by AMX or something like that...
It isn't an R/T engine. It's the model of Neon that has all R/T stuff except the engine in the plain jane Neon engine. The chip is made by AMX or something like that...
. Even the R/T engine with a 35hp boost from a chip wouldn't dyno at 185. There is driveline and transmission loss so it would dyno at maybe 155 or so. Besides, his car is lighter than yours and would win with even the same amount of horsepower. At 155 at the wheels he would SMOKE your ***!
May-5th-2003, 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by zerocover
When you shift without taking your foot off the gas.
It has its advantages.
When you shift without taking your foot off the gas.
It has its advantages.
May-6th-2003, 12:09 PM
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There was no R/T package in 2000. So there was no R/T "stuff".
The only engine available in 2000 was the 132hp SOHC. The exhaust will give it up to about 5hp. The chip is actually the entire cpu. I'm assuming it's the AFX unit which will give maybe 6-8 hp. For a total of 145hp max. That would be around 110 on the dyno.
The only way you can get 185 fwhp would be to turbo the engine.
The only engine available in 2000 was the 132hp SOHC. The exhaust will give it up to about 5hp. The chip is actually the entire cpu. I'm assuming it's the AFX unit which will give maybe 6-8 hp. For a total of 145hp max. That would be around 110 on the dyno.
The only way you can get 185 fwhp would be to turbo the engine.
May-26th-2003, 05:45 PM
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Only one engine I know can get up to 30hp from just a chip, and that's the VW/Audi 1.8t motor. Turbo engines typically benefit the most from a simple chip.
I haven't researched SOHC Neon motors as much as I would like, but I'd still bet that a 35hp chip is nonsense.
I haven't researched SOHC Neon motors as much as I would like, but I'd still bet that a 35hp chip is nonsense.
May-28th-2003, 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by sweetprotege93
Definitely NOT SMART in my opinion... I've seen a lot of guys trash their transmission that way.
Definitely NOT SMART in my opinion... I've seen a lot of guys trash their transmission that way.
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May-28th-2003, 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Scarmiglio
his dyno chart was. Even the R/T engine with a 35hp boost from a chip wouldn't dyno at 185. There is driveline and transmission loss so it would dyno at maybe 155 or so. Besides, his car is lighter than yours and would win with even the same amount of horsepower. At 155 at the wheels he would SMOKE your ***!
his dyno chart was
. Even the R/T engine with a 35hp boost from a chip wouldn't dyno at 185. There is driveline and transmission loss so it would dyno at maybe 155 or so. Besides, his car is lighter than yours and would win with even the same amount of horsepower. At 155 at the wheels he would SMOKE your ***!
May-29th-2003, 11:51 PM
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Honestly, I don't know for sure anything about his car, except that is pretty damn fast, even with a huge sound system in the trunk.
Now he has a completely stripped '96 Neon with a 2.0L...that thing is FAST!
Now he has a completely stripped '96 Neon with a 2.0L...that thing is FAST!
May-30th-2003, 01:58 AM
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sweetprotege93 said....
sweetprotege93 said....
Hey "SWEETPROTEGE93" how did it go from not knowing what powershifting is, too were you've seen a lot of guys trash their transmissions that way.
What's "power shifting"???
Definitely NOT SMART in my opinion... I've seen a lot of guys trash their transmission that way.
May-31st-2003, 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by Daniel Soucek
sweetprotege93 said....
sweetprotege93 said....
Hey "SWEETPROTEGE93" how did it go from not knowing what powershifting is, too were you've seen a lot of guys trash their transmissions that way.
sweetprotege93 said....
sweetprotege93 said....
Hey "SWEETPROTEGE93" how did it go from not knowing what powershifting is, too were you've seen a lot of guys trash their transmissions that way.
