stickerspeedmp3

Civic Si? I think its the 99-00 model. I raced one the other day, all it had was i/h/e, and it whooped my @$$. What do those things have in them? Anyone else had luck with those?

VagaBond-X

well i'm supposed to race my friends '94 Si

so i'll see how that goes

he has to fix his first, needs to put on an exhaust to have it driveable legally

he has a cold air intake, and he will prolly go for an aftermarket exhaust....

it has a short throw shift kit, etc etc

so he may whoop me,

i gotta get a cai and exhaust for those few extra ponies, which he'll prolly still kill me lol


whats the diiference in the Si's between the 99 and 94 models

Roddimus Prime

I have raced MANY 160+hp Si's at my local drag strip.....I've actually pulled away from them. They are dogs off the line and just barely have enough grunt to make them move after that. I raced a kids Si a few weeks ago and here's the tale of the tape:

Me: 03P5. obx header, ebay intake MAYBE 110whp

him 03Si, hondata ecu, intake, muffler Closer to 150whp


me: blistered him off the tree, jumped at least a car length

him: low rpm launch in a car with no torque......see above.


me: shifting the car like I thought I still had a drivetrain warranty (very fast)

him: couldn't tell his shift-style but he wasn't gaining ground on me.


me: through the traps at 10.3s @ 69mph

him: 11.1 @ 68mph.


What does this mean? In the quartermile his additonal horsepower may have overcome me and allowed him to pull past me but he couldn't launch it or shift it so it looked like I left him standing still. Even his buddies came over to "congratulate" me.

We ran again with my friend driving my car. My friend bogged it at the light. The Si got the jump but by the 60' mark my car was pulling past him. this time running 10.66s to his 10.9s

stickerspeedmp3

Yeah, the 01+ Si's are dogs, too heavy. Honda tried to bring back the hatchback and bump up the torque in the Si with .4 more liters....but it didn't turn out so well. More old people are buying them than anyone else. The engine has 160hp just like the 99-00, and it has more torque too, but it's a tank. The shifter is made of plastic so if the buyer doesn't swap it out for a stronger one, it'll prolly break with shifts that are too hard. They also messed up with that damn iVTEC...instead of it crossing over like the VTEC in the 99-00 Si's, it adjusts depending on the throttle you are giving it. I know you can feel and definitely hear the VTEC in the 99-00 DOHC VTEC Civics. Same with the Integra GS-R. Those damn motors rev out pretty far too. My buddies has a redline of 8K and his peak horsepower is at 7600! Fuel doesn't cut off til 8200, so that's where he shifts. I've seen guys that run low 9's in the 1/8th with just an AEM cai.

ZOOM_X_TWO

I wish I still had my GSR...vtec owns. My buddies had a vtec club called "Shift at 8."

I used to race SI's like it was my job...in the GSR. Probably wouldnt touch 'em in my P5. Those hot little honda motors are extremely underestimated on the road.

JHew84

i dunno, most people really dont know how to handle a high revving motor, and on the street they dont do so hot because if they DO know how to drive it to get better times, then they will most likely break traction more often than not... the thing with most honda's, is that they have little to no torque (duh ), so low rpm's is not a place you want to be, so in order to get a good time you want to have a 4-5K rpm launch, thats what my friend started doing in his GSR and went from mid 15's, to an all time low of 14.4 iirc, no extra mods, just started launching higher, but on the street with all the loose rocks, bad pavement, **** like that, launching that high will always cause a lack of traction, whenever i raced my friends GSR i would always be about a nose or more ahead (on the street, never raced him on the track), this is in a modded probe GT tho, and since my car never really lacked any torque (the tq hp curve is almost identical) i would always pull off the launch, and then we would pull evenly after that, and from rolling starts i would slowly pull and then it would eventually even out because i would be shifting so much sooner than him...

i think a good driver, in a modded P5 could probably hang with or beat an Si, doesn't seem very far fetched to me...

ZOOM_X_TWO

Very true...did he have the stock Michelin XGTV4 tires on his GSR? I had upgraded to Dunlop SP-5000's...actually the same tire that comes stock on the p5. Those Michelin's are a death wish.

jonesboy35757

I have raced a few cars but not many, all of them I have beat only because of the torquey nature of these 2.0's. I have crashed all accords I have raced and integras except gsr's though and I have not raced a civic si yet, luckily because I am still mainly stock on a 4dr 03 dx so that means I have no tach. Life sucks! But HELL I still deal with it and I guess I do ok. But never the less on July,17 I went to the drag strip to see what my car would turn out. All of my friends decided to go to. As soon as midnight madness started all of my friends got off the stands and went to racing. I watched for a little while to get a feel for things and I saw something that made my nuts shrink I mean literally. My friend who has a 04 cavalier with an ecotec in it turned out a 10.1 in bone stock config. it really makes no sense to me but he did it again and again. Well I finally went and I raced my friends crx si and spanked him. Me 10.5 and him 11.223 and all I have is an intake he has intake and exhaust. And I raced a neon rt with header intake and exhaust, those are pretty quick once you do that to them. He won 10.5 to my 10.6 I came closer then I thought I would have because when you ride in that thing it feels extremely fast. So, all in all with a pretty much stock car and bald tires I guess it did pretty well against the other modded cars that used to joke on me and other proteges. Oh and the accord I raced I will not even talk about that because it is not worth my time! ha ha. And of oh yeah I went through the trapps at about 66 mph each time. Give or take a tenth or two.

stickerspeedmp3

Come on guys, we gotta post up some REAL kills...these are sorry. An accord? Come on, I wouldn't even tell anyone I beat one of those, unless it was a new one....the new ones are pushin 240hp, V6 VTEC. The old CRX Si??? I'm sure....since DX Pro's run 17's in the quarter, meaning, about low to mid 11's in the 1/8th. Seriously guys. I've seen a 00 Si with an AEM intake run low 9's in the 1/8th and 14.9 in the quarter. GS-R's are about the same, little more hp, and more torque, but heavier. What can we do to make our pros fast enough to beat on these? Have you seen those CRX's and old hatchbacks with motorswaps???!!! Why can't we get the same results? I think Mazda really screwed us with the Protege. Even the Mazdaspeed's only run mid 15's, and they are boosted!!! Makes me wanna move to the darkside...help

Roddimus Prime

you want real kills?? go buy a turbo kit and take on the world. The protege is an entry-level econo-sedan (for the most part). It has exceptional handling skills and can outclass almost every other car in it's price range/class. This is a good thing. As far as power goes they aren't fast. Mazda ddin't design the cars to be drag raced. If they had they would've included some decent fuel mapping and solid motor mounts. These are commuter cars that are intended for commuter duty.

It's a sad fact. Go forced induction or buy some nitrous and then things change.

stickerspeedmp3

point taken... Rodimmus Prime..1....stickerspeedmp3...0

jonesboy35757

Thank you Roddimus Prime I almost felt bad for telling my race story there for a minute, and oh yeah my car did not run a low 11 it ran a mid 10 in the 8th. Awhole second faster then your estimate.

Stueck

did you let off the gas at the end?? it must be pretty hard to get that low of 1/4 and have a low end speed... not saying i doubt you or anything, i respect you much.

3234u2nV

There's noway a P5 can keep up or even hang with the SI's 99-01. I have own a p5 and no it aint fast its very slow the sohc vtec seems faster than my p5. All my friends have DOHC VTEV from b16-b18c5 we have it all and a p5 w/ bolt ons wont even keep up w/ a stck SI's. If you think you beat an SI you're trippin'. I have a 323 w/ 110 hp at the wheels (est.) but this car only weighs 3,300 including me. I kill si's w/ lightly mods but nothing crazy like head works n such. I kill p5s too and can smoke him about 5 cars away....

WTF

Si 14.9 on regular pump gas, mmmhhh, the same as a GSR!!?? A GSR has bigger displacement and Si run 16 highs from factory and I am talking about the new ones. I have been many times to Infeneon and nobody brings the Si's because they know better. Unless he does like many to install the NOS thru the factory intake.

RSX S run 15 lows... So, thats from what I have seen. Type R's that I have seen on the racetrack do 14.5 to 14.8... And thats without A/C. Many people pump 116 fuel to there cars and shave the head around .30 and this is enough to cut a few fractions of a second.