project626

Base Civic....$13,160...115-hp @ 6,100 rpm....Weight 2,449 lbs.
http://research.cars.com/go/crp/feat...7&aff=national

Mazda3i.......$13,680........148-hp @ 6,500 rpm.......weight 2,696 lbs.
http://research.cars.com/go/crp/feat...7&aff=national

I know the feeling. When I bought my 93 protege in 94, there was NOTHING available for it. Anything I bought for the car was either universal or had to be custom made. Now, that I have my 626 (actually, I recently sold it) there were many more parts available for it. Now that I have my Accord, the aftermarket parts are simply insane

macdaddyslomo

lol, who here would pay an extra $500 for an extra 33hp ?

hughes412

I WISHED some one had a bolt on like that for sale!

Jackelope

Mazda3 - $17,105 with 160hp/150lb torque.

Civic - $19,220 with 160hp/132lb torque.

project626

Why are we comparing the Civic Si with the Mazda3?
They're technically in different classes.

Another thing, why does the Mazda3 have HID's and Navi and the Mazda 6 Doesn't?

Jackelope

[QUOTE=project626]Base Civic....$13,160...115-hp @ 6,100 rpm....Weight 2,449 lbs.
http://research.cars.com/go/crp/feat...7&aff=national

Mazda3i.......$13,680........148-hp @ 6,500 rpm.......weight 2,696 lbs.
http://research.cars.com/go/crp/feat...7&aff=national



110lb torque vs 135lb torque - what i was focusing on..

project626

[QUOTE=Jackelope]True, and I'll be the first to admit. Honda's are NOT great on torque at all.

Roddimus Prime

you've gotta learn a little more about cars!!

The civic and Mazda3 are in the SAME class.

focus
sentra
3
civic
neon
spectra
elantra
golf
cavalier

they are all in the same class....entry level vehicles.

The Si is being compared to the 3S because both are considered "top of their line". Civic Si = 160bhp the Mazda3S = 160bhp


p.s. you can get HID and Nav on the 6 as far as I know.

macdaddyslomo

ummm yeah...when did the civic or 3 change classes ??

JDM-P5

Believe it or not...the other night my girl & I were in the 03 ex and an SI pulled up next to me at a light....slight wheel hop, but I got him through 2nd. I wondered and pondered WTF?! Then I heard a familiar psssft sound of a BOV and that was it...by time i cranked her into 3rd...all i saw was the ugly tail lights. All the Civic has is intake & exhaust (Vtec..if that means **** these days)....nimble little bugger though!

Tyrael6666

its funny, i think someone said that the civic si should beat us with a better driver...im not so sure, keep in mind that civics have their vtec crap, which makes the engine screwy as to when its power actually kicks in. And their powerband runs up to more than 7 grand...is that necessary for 160 horses and 132 ft lbs? I think their power delivery and powerband may contribute more to our winning than just bad drivers. I refuse to believe all of us just happened to be racing bad drivers....Also maybe they have horrible power loss by the time it hits hte wheels, theres probably a lot more factors here to our victory than poor civic driver.

Bartizek

Nah i'm pretty sure it's drivers.... considering the numbers on hp on both cars and the time's a stock P5 would be more or less walked by a SI with the same driver.

I know it's hard to believe but those things are quick..

P.S. Over at i-vtec.net there are a few very quick civic SI's , they have the fastest recorded N/A ep3 at 14.2@95 mph

thats with hondata, without the hondata ecu an intake/header/exhaust will get you into the low 15's

damn, if you ask me....

guest

Im from I-vtec.net

here is my car if you guys are intersted at all

http://www.i-vtec.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7


LOL i can sense the civic love in this forum

The k20a3 is SEVERELY restricted from the factory. Stock most Si's make about 135 hp and about 120 tq(on a dyno of course =P ). Give them Intake, Race Header, and Exhaust and its a whole new ball game. Most people dyno around 165 whp and 137tq with i/rh/e. I dont see many b16s making that much power with just bolt ons.

And as far as 1/4 mile times. I myself have been able to 14s multiple times. Not fast at all, but then again i only have intake/race header/ crushbent b pipe. Im even running on stock redline and all season tires. My best so far is 14.7 with the stock 6.8k redline...People have been known to decrease their 1/4 mile time and increase their trap by about 4-5mph with the ecu mod....just to give you guys an idea of what can be done n/a

I will agree with you on this...stock for stock the old Si will win from a roll no doubt, from a dig tho its pretty even

but modded...theres no contest

MOD for MOD the new engine responds better. Its a fact.

Currently the fastest bolt on Si is running 14.2@97mph. This isnt amazingly fast, but its definately a jump from the mid-high 15s that people usually get in the car.

Their have been a few members who have swapped their heads and put high compression pistons. Those motors are modded quite a bit tho, so i dont count them as the stock motor. Some have been hitting 12s all motor.

Heres a link for you guys to check out

http://www.ephatch.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53851

thats my buddy aRz's car. N/A ...I/h/e/intake gasket/Hondata Ecu/drag radials

Boosted its a whole different story.

These motors have been known to make over 300 whp safely for daily driving and over 230tq. This is on 9-10lbs of boost.

Cybernation's Bolt on kit will net you 300ish whp and will allow you to trap at 108+ mph...

Cliff notes: the new si isnt fast at all, but dont underestimate it

Roddimus Prime

In all honesty the new SI's are garbage man. They've got a neat new engine that people are tweaking, good for them....the 3 has an all new series of 4cyl engines that tuners are just now starting to work with. They are very boost-friendly as well. Early turbo kit testing shows 245whp+ on 7psi from a small turbo. That a big leap from the stock 135whp.

The point is, that the new civic are not what they used to be. The Mazda3 has raised the bar for every other entry level sedan or hatch. No other manufacturer (shy of audi) offers as many features and NO OTHER manufacturer offers as much for your buck.

guest

are you seriously trying to say that the 4 cylinder series of engines in the 3 is superior the k-series? Come on now dude. You have to know I give the 3 its props, it was a huge jump from the protege series and comes full of goodies. Its easily a better choice than the current gen of regular civic. But you cannot seriously think that the 3's 4 cyl is more advanced than Honda''s new 4cyl K-series engines. Or even more advanced than the QR25 in the Spec-v's....The engine's in the 3 are nice, but nothing breathtaking man. A huge step up from the protege's(which were nice btw), but nothing that breaks new ground.
I was researching cars for my ex gf and i wanted her to get a 3. But it was not because of the "breathtaking mod potential" of the motor. I mean come on you guys get the same 135 whp from a larger engine...My buddy got one and i think is a cool car..

And as far as the civic's not being what they used to be. What the hell does that mean? Show me a bolt on B16A2 Si (the old one) running equal times with just bolt ons. There are very few if not any. The old motors can be modded alot cheaper and have more options, but thats because the motors have been around for 12+ years.. People cant compare an engine that has been around for so long to one that just came out. I havent dynoed my car in quite a bit, but im projecting that its making around 160 whp..and 135ish TQ...no dynos here in Gainesville Florida. We even have a few guys getting close to 170 whp without ever opening the engine. and that is the shitty k-series engine. The k20a2 in Rsx-s's can make over 200 whp on stock internals easily. Ive seen people hit 230 whp+ on that engine with just bolt ons, cams,and ecu. I have a K24A2 Project going into my car. Im an N/A fanatic, so im sticking to it. Im projecting about 218ish whp and 190 tq to the wheels with the new engine...on a mild tune...N/A on a 2.4 with stock internals.

The 3 does offer a sweet package as a car, but you have to remember that it came out alot later than most of its competitors. The 3 is a recent entry into the market, hence it is ahead of the game compared to the older cars...I mean come on the 7th gen civic that you guys so vehemently compare your cars too came out in 2001!!! Of course the 3 is going to have more options than a car introduced that long ago. If mazda didnt do that, theyd sell NONE.

Either way, nice board you guys have here. this will be my final reply

peace