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Old March-22nd-2003, 07:17 AM
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I was the author of the "no terrorism in Canada" statements.

Thing is, I agree with your points 110%. We are targets because of the way in which we butt into all world affairs.

The problem, however, is that it's more like a "chicken and egg" thing; are we hated because of our involvement, or are we involved because we are so hated?

Either way, we can't stop it now. The US is the most powerful nation on earth, and - for better or worse - we have to act as such. Canada IS in a different, less-involved position. Again, however, we can ponder; is Canada's lack of military might due to a policy of not getting involved, or does Canada not get involved because of it's lack of military might?

The fact is, with both nations, the situation is not very reversible. Nor does either want to change - the US doesn't want to stop playing the world's police force, and Canada doesn't want that job anyway.

Which brings me back to my original point - the US is the instigator of the campaign in Iraq because we feel the most threatened. Not only here, but we also must protect our allies. It makes no difference WHY we are the nation with the most at stake in this - arguing that is just arguing about the past.

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There are few things I'd like to say regarding the Canada-USA relationship regarding this so called "Operation Iraqi Freedom".

-Someone mentioned that there are no terrorism threats in montreal, anthrax in quebec....etc.. in no offense to the individual whom of which is the author of such writings, Canada has been a peaceful minded country. At no point in time did we stick our noses into other countries businesses where we did not belong, therefore no terrorist organizations have problems with us. However the United States, HAVE infact stuck their noses into things that do not directly impact them. They have for MANY years, and it was a build up of propaganda, that lead americans to believe they live in the greatest country in the world. So be it, you can have an opinion, i dont think canada's the greatest country nor is hte US. ANYWAYS, the US have p/o'd soo many people, horrendous catastrophes such as 9/11 have occured. In no way do I approve of what happend on 9/11. Innocent people died, and humanity lost the proverbial game. Canada didnt do these things and therefore hasnt had problems with this. The US have gone into other countries and played big bro too many times and finally someone stood up to them.

-The war has begun, theres no stopping it, now all I want is for ALL coalition forces to make it home safely, and for minimal Iraqi casualties(civies + soldiers forced to be loyal to madman saddam)

-To those people who believe the US should be at war... to fight things like terrorism, you guys are just setting yourself up for another attack. These terrorists are bas***** and cowards and will hurt you and your country, because they truly dislike your lifestyle of being a super power. I dont konw how to stop them, but your in quite a perdicament.

-someone mentioned that Canada is only surviving becuase we are simply neighbours to America. well we have our priorities, and pissing off the world, sadly, isnt one.

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As for the Canadian that says you grew ***** and didnt have to follow the americans, when some islamic militant comes knocking on your door because he doesnt like your people having freedom. Or some country like N.Korea threatens you with nuclear weapons, who are you gonna call for help? What will you think of us if we didnt do anything about it? Would your thoughts about the US. government change? Remember that Canada is free and will be free while we are here. The US protects you just by being your neighbor, if you were anywhere else life would be a little different dont you think? Anyways Im not anti-Canada, I think we are all brothers in this world, lets put aside our differences, and give the Iraqi people a taste of what we take forgranted. FREEDOM!
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-lets strive for freedom...i agree with you.....you say Canada would be feeling a little different if we were in your shoes, we your right, we would. Except we have a diplomatic brain. DAMN STRAIGHT WE GREW *****!! no reason we should follow US into a US provoked war of terror. We did nothing to deserve militant islamics, or N.Koreans wiht nukes to attack us with.

in short, Canada lives a simpler life. all we want is our rrrroll up the rim coffee, and our NHL teams to make the playoffs. sorry if i offended anyone, but I felt I had to inform you of what many Canadians believe in. I hope Canada and America will be friends....hell we're all people why cant we be friends.

P.S.- Saddam sucks and should be killed. I suck and should shut up...War sucks and should be abolished. NOW!!
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Again, however, we can ponder; is Canada's lack of military might due to a policy of not getting involved, or does Canada not get involved because of it's lack of military might?
I don't know if the latter part of your statement is true. Canada obviously has forces that are still being used in this so-called "War on Terrorism" (ie. forces used in Afghanistan).

At any rate, our military is definitely underdeveloped (comparatively), but personally, I'd rather see money spent on health care, etc... But that's a whole seperate matter!
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Originally posted by Pro_fan


I don't know if the latter part of your statement is true. Canada obviously has forces that are still being used in this so-called "War on Terrorism" (ie. forces used in Afghanistan).
I don't know if the latter part of my statement is true, either - it was really just a chicken-and-egg question - not really a conclusion, more of a query.


At any rate, our military is definitely underdeveloped (comparatively), but personally, I'd rather see money spent on health care, etc... But that's a whole seperate matter!
I agree wholeheartedly. I still can't understand all the spending on military (as well as other, less-worthy things) while other issues continue unchecked - healthcare and uncured disease research should be two of the top priorities - unfortunately, they are not.

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Originally posted by hihoslva
I was the author of the "no terrorism in Canada" statements.

Thing is, I agree with your points 110%. We are targets because of the way in which we butt into all world affairs.

The problem, however, is that it's more like a "chicken and egg" thing; are we hated because of our involvement, or are we involved because we are so hated?

Either way, we can't stop it now. The US is the most powerful nation on earth, and - for better or worse - we have to act as such. Canada IS in a different, less-involved position. Again, however, we can ponder; is Canada's lack of military might due to a policy of not getting involved, or does Canada not get involved because of it's lack of military might?

The fact is, with both nations, the situation is not very reversible. Nor does either want to change - the US doesn't want to stop playing the world's police force, and Canada doesn't want that job anyway.

Which brings me back to my original point - the US is the instigator of the campaign in Iraq because we feel the most threatened. Not only here, but we also must protect our allies. It makes no difference WHY we are the nation with the most at stake in this - arguing that is just arguing about the past.

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I agree with you all the way. Whats done is done, and now we can hope this war is successful.
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Well put Ghost!

For people saying there might be terrorist acts against the United States, in case you suffer from amnesia - 9-11!
I am sure no one has forgotten that, and I am sure they mean MORE attacks, and if they did forget 9-11 then they are stupid.
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Bogus war

I didn't read over all of the coments on this particular board but for people that say radical islamics attack American targets becuase they are jealous the freedoms Americans enjoy is totally bogus. The reason I think why Americans are targeted is becuase 1), they stick their nose into other peoples business, and 2), they always have had a Pro-Israeli stance for the whole middle east conflict.

I'm sure Iraq has some banned weapons. Saddam is a Dick, no questions but no proof has been shown to back that up as well as links between Saddam and Bin Ladden. I feel the proof is not their to warrant a war and possibly destabilizing the reigon.

What this war is really about is George Jr. finishing what his father started, and Oil. There are alot of dictators and war criminals that the US is turning a blind eye to.
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Originally posted by doublescore
They have for MANY years, and it was a build up of propaganda, that lead americans to believe they live in the greatest country in the world.
There is no propaganda that tells me that I should think my country is the greatest in the world. I just belive it.. I love my country and will always. And I dont think i stand alone on that either.

Anyways go about what you guys were saying i just had to say that. later
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Originally posted by islandpro

There is no propaganda that tells me that I should think my country is the greatest in the world. I just belive it.. I love my country and will always. And I dont think i stand alone on that either.

Anyways go about what you guys were saying i just had to say that. later
Hmmmm. Let me see. I've been told since I was old enough to remember by varying people that our country was the greatest in the world. It's been ingrained in my brain for so long, like the concept of God, that I get sick of hearing it. If thats not propaganda I don't know what is.
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Originally posted by kc5zom


Hmmmm. Let me see. I've been told since I was old enough to remember by varying people that our country was the greatest in the world. It's been ingrained in my brain for so long, like the concept of God, that I get sick of hearing it. If thats not propaganda I don't know what is.
thats exactly what I thought. I'm not American and I dont know many Americans, but thats what I've come to believe over my lifetime. As Canadians we arent told by our friends and family that we live in the greatest country in the world, we just think we're lucky enough to be born into a place without conflict such as the US faces.

Its a completly different world, yet we are so geographically close. I hope Saddam gets brutally murdered, and the new Iraq will be a peaceful one.
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Hmmmm. Let me see. I've been told since I was old enough to remember by varying people that our country was the greatest in the world. It's been ingrained in my brain for so long, like the concept of God, that I get sick of hearing it. If thats not propaganda I don't know what is.
my friend your a ****** moron!!!!! You are one of the most hypocritic so called americans i have heard yet. HOW DARE YOU sit in your computer(freely) in your house and badtalk your own country? You sit there and blast this country like you are some ****** socialist. It seems you dont deserve what you have, if you dont like this country LEAVE *******. Or mabe yet, how about saying something like that to a live person in front of you? You wont! You do all this talking on your computer where you know its safe. Personally if I was there Id like you to tell me that to my face,after ive served this country 10 years. Im not from american decent, I am cuban. My people flee from the same **** thats happening in Iraq. I know how it feels not to have food to cover the family. I know how it feels to loose your father to the government because he wants freedom just like everyone else. I came here so I could have a future in life like he didnt. And as atoken of gratitude I have faithfully served this country. This is the greatest nation on earth, many people talk **** about it but its only envy. They wish they were part of the difference we make, but on the outside they show otherwise. Im not here to change your mind about anything. But im here to tell you, enjoy your freedom. It was given to you from people who were not afraid to stand up and Fight. Dont desrespect me, and all those who serve and spit on your own country. But, my friend if you decide to, please tell me or any other sevice member or veteran. This way we can show you what we think of your words. Dont forget this next time you you talk some **** like that! Even though the Canadians do it to an extent, they would never bast their oun country like you have done. Its fine that you agree with some of their points,i do too. But I will NEVER degrade myself to talk **** about the only country that welcomed me with arms wide open!!!
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I know the USA is darn fine country in comparison to hundreds of other countries, and it sure is the most powerful country in the world, but would the GREATEST country in the world be at war? Greatest means the most superior, and well sure you guys are a superpower, I dont think you live in the greatest country in the world.

I think in a free and democratic society you should be able to speak your mind freely such as kc5zom did. He/She shouldnt be yelled at because they have an opinion, because opinion is what makes free countries so great.

Now that your at war. Kill the Jerks. I wish I was there right now with a big *** gun, cuz its horrible what they've done to your soldiers(the POW's)
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Originally posted by ghost323f

my friend your a ****** moron!!!!! You are one of the most hypocritic so called americans i have heard yet. HOW DARE YOU sit in your computer(freely) in your house and badtalk your own country? You sit there and blast this country like you are some ****** socialist. It seems you dont deserve what you have, if you dont like this country LEAVE *******. Or mabe yet, how about saying something like that to a live person in front of you? You wont! You do all this talking on your computer where you know its safe. Personally if I was there Id like you to tell me that to my face,after ive served this country 10 years. Im not from american decent, I am cuban. My people flee from the same **** thats happening in Iraq. I know how it feels not to have food to cover the family. I know how it feels to loose your father to the government because he wants freedom just like everyone else. I came here so I could have a future in life like he didnt. And as atoken of gratitude I have faithfully served this country. This is the greatest nation on earth, many people talk **** about it but its only envy. They wish they were part of the difference we make, but on the outside they show otherwise. Im not here to change your mind about anything. But im here to tell you, enjoy your freedom. It was given to you from people who were not afraid to stand up and Fight. Dont desrespect me, and all those who serve and spit on your own country. But, my friend if you decide to, please tell me or any other sevice member or veteran. This way we can show you what we think of your words. Dont forget this next time you you talk some **** like that! Even though the Canadians do it to an extent, they would never bast their oun country like you have done. Its fine that you agree with some of their points,i do too. But I will NEVER degrade myself to talk **** about the only country that welcomed me with arms wide open!!!
My friend, you are ****** moron. My grandfather served in WWII. My brother is over there right now. Another WWII type war comes along then I would too. But this is not WWII. Its a stupid little war that we will win at a heavy cost to both Iraq and America. But you know what? If it wasn't for the socialists you would be, as I saw in another post, speaking German right now (or Japanese). Just because America decided to jump in late because we pissed off the Japanese does not mean we were the ****** saviors of the world in WWII. Why don't you ask the millions of Soviet soldiers who threw their lives in to the blender so that you could say something so belligerent and stupid (btw our casualties were only around 300k)? They bore, by far, the brunt of human casualties in both WWI and II. Or hey, what about Britain. If they had lost the air battle over the channel then we would have had no place to launch the Normandy invasion, probably wouldn't have won in Africa either. And they were fundemental in bringing the Japanese to their knees in the end.

That Constitution gives me the right to say anything I want. It does not force me to bend to the will of some moron who stumbled in to the presidency by default. You sound just like a ****. Our government says that the Poles are bastards. Lets go invade there, kill them, and move along. Its all good because our govt says so. Nothing like watching images of children on TV whacked by our bombs. It's bullshit anyone has to die over this crap. All human life is created equal and Americans are not better than everyone else.

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wrong *******, the 1st ammendment's "free speech" clause does not mean you can say **** that will endanger the lives of others (such as yelling "fire!" in a theatre) and other stupid ****

those of you who STILL think we going to iraq TODAY is wrong, get a ******* clue... first of all, if **** hits the fan, I WILL fight for YOUR freedom even do I don't like what comes out of YOUR mouth and that I think y'all are fucktards... this is what FREEDOME is about... FREEDOM IS NOT FREE... all of you clueless ***** think everything is hunkydory in iraq all these years... all of you think saddam is a "ok guy"... why the **** is he making weapons? why the **** does he have a ******* state run TV station and nothing else? you airheads who think the citizens of iraq "love" saddam when you see them on TV don't you? well guess what? that **** gets FILTERED through iraqi government's censors FIRST, before being released... second, those people there are scared shitless... you think they will just flat out say "SADDAM IS AN *******!" right on TV? they will DISAPPEAR within 1 minute! DUH! you ***** say we going to iraq will make people die? HELLO?! GET A ******* CLUE, THEY'VE BEEN ******* STARVING TO DEATH FOR DECADES! what we do now won't make a difference in the death rate and most likely it will END the starvation when it's done... assuming the american government sees through that they take out the iraqi regim... if they don't they are fucktards for repeating the same mistake they did in 1991 and PISSED OFF iraqi CIVILIANS.... you think freedom and peace can be achieved by just talk and not lifting a finger? hello! snap out of the la la land! there are crazy ************* like saddam out there who will play mind games with you all day long and they will evade you forever... welcome to the ******* human race... what the useless ******* UN doing now is bullshit ***** *** talking... repeating basically the same stupid **** the League of Nations did before WWII... those so called "resolutions" are ******* useless trash because saddam think they're a ******* joke just like I am because the ***** *** UN has nothing to back up their words... diplomacy my ***... we waited 12 years for saddam to clean up his **** and he didn't... now he pays, tough ****... yes, it was OUR ******* fault for not taking him down 12 years ago.... but now we clean up the mess... sorry, what's done has been done... now it's damage control... did you think more of those dumbass weapons inspection would do anything? saddamn had a ******* decade to setup a system to hide his ****... well guess what, it worked! did you notice how ******* stupid france looked when iraq launched SCUDS at Kuwait? "oh we don't have those weapons" my ***... they just shot themselves in the foot and every bullshit statement they ever made are lies... I guess you didn't know france, germany, and russia's opposition to the war was purely for their self interests... in the economic sense... I guess y'all forgot about 9/11 too... yeah saddam isn't so bad... he only harbors some terrorists taking him out NOW will only ensure that there's 1 less safe haven for terrorists and the elimination of destructive weapons in the hands of a ******* mad man

oh another message to the clueless protesters... y'all live a spoiled, sheltered, sugar coated life.... until you have experienced living in a shithole like me and many others, you will not know how it feels to be with NOTHING... you hate what the government is doing now and think saddam is a ok guy? SHUT UP and go to iraq!

and name me 1 other country that has CHEAP living costs, FREEDOM, and a relatively problem free society? bet you can't name one... america has problems, but not as much bullshit problems as other countries... it is THE place to live... afterall, it's still run by humans.... and humans are not perfect
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first of all, if **** hits the fan, I WILL fight for YOUR freedom even do I don't like what comes out of YOUR mouth and that I think y'all are fucktards
Why aren't you fighting then

Moderating this forum isn't *that* important....

[quote] this is what FREEDOME is about... FREEDOM IS NOT FREE... all of you clueless ***** think everything is hunkydory in iraq all these years... all of you think saddam is a "ok guy"...
[\quote] Nobody that I know of is saying that Saddam is an 'okay guy'.....
why the **** is he making weapons?
Cause of neighbouring countries....
why the **** does he have a ******* state run TV station and nothing else? you airheads who think the citizens of iraq "love" saddam when you see them on TV don't you? well guess what? that **** gets FILTERED through iraqi government's censors FIRST, before being released...
Hahahaha, after watching CNN for half an hour, couldn't stand more BS in a day, it's sad that people like you don't even realize that all that you're seeing is just as filtered. CNN and ALL of the other American stations are a JOKE!!!! I could write you ten pages of stuff that they've lied about and made sound differently only in the last two days.

second, those people there are scared shitless... you think they will just flat out say "SADDAM IS AN *******!" right on TV? they will DISAPPEAR within 1 minute! DUH!
Yeah, that's true. I don't think that many people in Iraq like Saddam, but quite a bit do. In any case, they hate the fact that US are bombing them quite a bit more then Saddam. They also hate the fact that US imposed sanctions are making their nation suffer from hunger, and also they don't appreciate their children dying of leukemia because of the depleted uranium dropped in their country by guess who.... US in the Gulf War.

you ***** say we going to iraq will make people die?
Yup, what are the numbers for the civilians hurt now.... a few hundred?

HELLO?! GET A ******* CLUE, THEY'VE BEEN ******* STARVING TO DEATH FOR DECADES!
Oh, I think I made a mention of what's the primary reason for starvation.... US imposed sanctions. Don't even bullshit about UN imposing the sanctions since US were the ones that pretty much influenced everyone in the UN if your remember.

what we do now won't make a difference in the death rate and most likely it will END the starvation when it's done... assuming the american government sees through that they take out the iraqi regim... if they don't they are fucktards for repeating the same mistake they did in 1991 and PISSED OFF iraqi CIVILIANS.... you think freedom and peace can be achieved by just talk and not lifting a finger? hello! snap out of the la la land! there are crazy ************* like saddam out there who will play mind games with you all day long and they will evade you forever... welcome to the ******* human race...
Well at least you realize that the Gulf War was a big mistake..... I'm trying to remember the last time that a US led war was a succes...... WWII was a success in the end..... since then can't remember any others, even though they get in a conflict every couple of years.....
what the useless ******* UN doing now is bullshit ***** *** talking
you don't even know what they're doing, but I like how you're making your case.....
repeating basically the same stupid **** the League of Nations did before WWII... those so called "resolutions" are ******* useless trash because saddam think they're a ******* joke just like I am because the ***** *** UN has nothing to back up their words... diplomacy my ***... we waited 12 years for saddam to clean up his **** and he didn't...
I don't really recall diplomacy.....
now he pays, tough ****...
He's not the only one paying......... give your head a big shake, maybe even run into a wall to try and clear up your mind a bit.....

yes, it was OUR ******* fault for not taking him down 12 years ago.... but now we clean up the mess... sorry, what's done has been done... now it's damage control...
In other words, Saddam isn't cooperating with US, so now they have to go in, set up a different 'democratic' government that will bend over for the States..... Puppet government?

did you think more of those dumbass weapons inspection would do anything? saddamn had a ******* decade to setup a system to hide his ****... well guess what, it worked! did you notice how ******* stupid france looked when iraq launched SCUDS at Kuwait?
What a bunch of BS. Those 'Scuds' were not even confirmed to be Scuds. The main headline was that they were suspected of being Scuds. It's funny how no one mentioned that they likely weren't Scuds as was discovered a day later. Propaganda worked on you....

"oh we don't have those weapons" my ***... they just shot themselves in the foot and every bullshit statement they ever made are lies... I guess you didn't know france, germany, and russia's opposition to the war was purely for their self interests... in the economic sense...
That's right, France and Russia have oil contracts...........
Oh, did the States get left out? Hmmmm, I wonder why they're attacking.........

Could it be that they'll have to rebuild Iraq after and funding will come from the oil fields....... Guess who'll get the contract....... An American company! They'll set up their oil companies there. No, US isn't doing it for the economic purpose.....

I guess y'all forgot about 9/11 too... yeah saddam isn't so bad... he only harbors some terrorists
Okay, I didn't wanna say it until now, but you're a real IDIOT! I don't know if a fish is more golluable then you....

Terrorist attacks (Al Queada) has NOTHING TO DO WITH IRAQ. CAN YOU GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK HEAD?

Bush has tried to link the two but couldn't because they're totally seperate and Al Queada considers Iraq as 'ignorant'.... However they've made reference to 9/11 always to give people reason to attack Iraq. Reference to 9/11 makes people support war even more.

and name me 1 other country that has CHEAP living costs, FREEDOM, and a relatively problem free society? bet you can't name one... america has problems, but not as much bullshit problems as other countries... it is THE place to live... afterall, it's still run by humans.... and humans are not perfect [/B]
Canada seems fine to me.....

Switzerland isn't too shabby neither.....
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