ghost323f

its not because you dont, its because you cant

alcoholiday

i truly hope iraq becomes a better place after all of this. it's a long road. look at afghanistan today. outside of kabul, life isn't much better for anyone.

as for democracy in the middle east. well, it's going to take a while and better be done the right way. it's a totally different culture, one in which democracy has never played a part.

as for us having a place to go to get a way from england. we didn't really. we kinda took one over. but that's another issue all together.

alcoholiday

i'd like to think that, if we possessed the ability to strongarm, we'd resist the temptation.

hihoslva

Metallica, from "Don't Tread On Me":

"So be it / Threaten no more / To secure peace is / to prepare for war."

It's true. I hate the thought of war, and don't like what's going on. But it's a justifiable invasion.

Saddam is a madman - he wants to be a modern-day Hitler. The man is concerned ONLY with power. He rules his country with an iron fist.

Iraq SHOULD be one of the wealthiest nations on earth. Instead, they are a poor country with one of the wealthiest LEADERS on earth. Saddam takes it all, and gives his people nothing. The amount of oil in Iraq would be able to sustain these people for generations. But instead, the citizens of Iraq starve.

And anyone who thinks Saddam has no ties to terrorism needs to wake up. Why does Saddam take all his country's revenues for himself? To BUILD WEAPONS AND SUPPORT TERRORIST GROUPS. A power-monger like him has no other reason to steal from his own people.

And while I generally agree that the US sometimes sticks its fat *** where it doesn't belong, there isn't much we can do about it now. The US is the most powerful nation on earth. Being that, we have a responsibilty to the other nations and citizens of the planet - to try to right injustices, and keep the world safe from weapons of mass destruction - especially in the hands of madmen.

12 years ago, we promised to use force against Iraq if Saddam did not destroy and account for all his weapons. Saddam, in turn, promised to disarm and comply with all UN requests. Looks like at least ONE of us keeps our promises.......

And Canadians - you guys need to remember one thing: No one is flying planes into buildings in Montreal, no one is spreading Anthrax in Quebec, and no one is right now plotting further acts of terrorism against Vancouver. The U.S. of ******* A. is what this is about - it's about terrorism, terrorists, and those who threaten our way of life in any respect. I am not downplaying your role as individuals, or trying to say you are "lesser" people than us, or that you are "subordinates" - NOT AT ALL WHAT I MEAN. But you should consider yourselves lucky that you are not the world's police force like us - that's why we're targets. But also realize that when the **** hits the fan, it's what the USA wants that matters. Yes, this is a world issue, and you guys have a right to your opinions - I am not saying anything to the contrary. But in the forum of world politics, your country's opinions don't count as much, because you don't have anywhere near as much at stake. There is a reason we stopped caring what the UN opinion is - because the US has a huge stake in the outcome of this, and we gotta take care of number one.

In all, I believe this war was inevitable. Saddam will never bow to anyone - he'd rather die. So be it.

~HH

ghost323f

the US's job isnt to judge terrorists,saddam,or bin ladden its gods. But its our ****** job to arrange the meeting!!!!!!!

NoahsMP5

Right on.

Without somebody to stop Saddam we would just have another Hitler on our hands. And then what. He runs a nation with fear. All that apose him are tortured and killed and his sons are worse. He has broken 17 straight un resolutions. When do you draw the line? When he nukes some country or gases more people. You can not come to a peaceful resolution with an insane man.

I only hope what happens after is better then what is.

And to anyone who thinks this is about oil, your right. France and Germany have more money invested in Iraq then we ever will.
We get most of our oil from other countries.

kc5zom

Yeah, maybe you guys missed it while you were ranting and raving but the US disinformation government now says it believes they were missiles that Iraq could legally have of the al Samoud 1 variety (not 2 which was the ones they were complying with the UN and destroying).

Also I think you guys forget why the inspections stopped in the first place? The Iraqi government found out some of the people on that team were feeding intelligence information back to the US (or spying). They did what any sovereign nation that discovers a spy with diplomatic immunity does, they kicked them out.

At the very least we have ourselves to blame for the problems in that region. We were behind the creation of Israel and their continuing existence, an affront to the citizens of that entire region. I would suggest the United States concentrate more on Pakistan and India. Something about two nations, pissed off at each other, with nuclear weapons that just doesn't sit well. But of course we need to go play in the desert and appease the voters. Then we will probably continuing jacking off with the North Korea issue. Here's doubting the Bush administration will go anywhere near that country. High and mighty with the small fries, but when a big one does something well lets just ignore it and pretend it doesn't really matter (maybe we can get some quotes in the paper saying how concerned we are!).

BTW... The Constitution of the United States (ie the reason you are in the military in the first place dumbass) places on the citizens of this nation the responsibility to question the actions of this government. There is no "we are at war so everyone has to agree or it looks bad" clause or amendment. So get over it. There is a big difference from disliking the leadership and disliking the troops. If they can't stand reading someone saying something about the war then maybe they don't believe in this "cause" enough to be dying for it and they need to get their asses home. Some of you more vocal people, on the other hand, need to go enlist for combat arms duty if you feel so strongly.

kc5zom

Yeah, generally when you severely restrict the output of a country not a lot of that stuff makes it to market. They were a lot more important pre-1991. But I don't think Iraq being one of the most undeveloped oil producing nations (that means they have a lot of production capacity that has never been tapped for you Republicans out there) has anything to do with this. Not one little bit.

dialup

I agree, lets go back to that old way of stopping terrorism - you know cross your fingers and hope that the bad guys get caught by middle-eastern countries who hate America? How did that work, again? Oh yeah, we had 9/11. Genius.

Brycer79

okay as "the canadian who said canada grew *****" here is what I ahve to say.

1 Canada siad we would be there IF the UN went with a green light on it, but that didn't happen and I feel it is a good thing we are not there with out that green light. My reasons for this are:

1) I think that this could make the US look bad in the eyes of some countrys and cause more terrorist attacks.
2) I don't wanna see another 911 type event happen in the states, sure I am in alberta far away from it but it still made everyone feel sick and scared and people have rumors abnout threats about west edmonton mall..

well mainly what I meant by my "finally grew *****" statement was that just because the US thought it was time even without the UN giving a green light doesn't mean it is right for Canada to jump in. I am sure that if it got to the point where the worlds view on this war changed Canada would be right in there to help it's not like we haven't before.

I am also not against the troops in the US army either currently in the US or in the middle east. I would hope that everyone could come back alive and safe but the chances of that are 0% and we all know that and we can all imagine the pain of losing a loved one in a war.

War is something that in my mind only madmen look forward to and everyone else fears because yes people are standing up for freedom and freedom is a wonderful thing but really if anyone said they didn't get worried about being killed in a war or loseing a loved on in a war they would either be lieing or have something wrong with them at least in my mind.. I just can't see a sane person running into comabt saying I'm gonna kill me some people for freedom and I'm not afraid to die. A natural human instinct is to survive.

well now that I have ranted I am done, and as far as my ***** statement I basically meant that WE STUCK TO OUR GUNS, we didn't change our mind at the last second, and for that I am proud of our government..

demoninvictus

don't anyone ever sit there and take for granted that this is a war, or personally, i'll jump through the forum and kick your ***. it's well over due to get rid of this ****** jack ***, and should be taken out. with a history of getting law degree's by holding people at gunpoint, killing his own men of the republican guard for no reason aside of being afraid they were trying to get rid of him, killing his own people by launching missiles on his own soil. unfortunately, iraq is composed of three native people, so in essence, it is a similar situation to afghanistan, where three seperate factions of this single country would much rather divide into 3, rather than be together in some cases. anywho, utmost respect to our soldiers fighting for a just cause, who knows whats gonna happen, just keep in focus, the longer this campaign takes, the greater a diplomatic impact problem it will become for us... speedy return and resolution is all that i wish
peace

hihoslva

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!



~HH

Witchdoktor

Well put Ghost!

For people saying there might be terrorist acts against the United States, in case you suffer from amnesia - 9-11!

fossil boy

Wow! You are right - the US wants to control everything and everybody and will use force, not international diplomacy to obtain it!

doublescore

There are few things I'd like to say regarding the Canada-USA relationship regarding this so called "Operation Iraqi Freedom".

-Someone mentioned that there are no terrorism threats in montreal, anthrax in quebec....etc.. in no offense to the individual whom of which is the author of such writings, Canada has been a peaceful minded country. At no point in time did we stick our noses into other countries businesses where we did not belong, therefore no terrorist organizations have problems with us. However the United States, HAVE infact stuck their noses into things that do not directly impact them. They have for MANY years, and it was a build up of propaganda, that lead americans to believe they live in the greatest country in the world. So be it, you can have an opinion, i dont think canada's the greatest country nor is hte US. ANYWAYS, the US have p/o'd soo many people, horrendous catastrophes such as 9/11 have occured. In no way do I approve of what happend on 9/11. Innocent people died, and humanity lost the proverbial game. Canada didnt do these things and therefore hasnt had problems with this. The US have gone into other countries and played big bro too many times and finally someone stood up to them.

-The war has begun, theres no stopping it, now all I want is for ALL coalition forces to make it home safely, and for minimal Iraqi casualties(civies + soldiers forced to be loyal to madman saddam)

-To those people who believe the US should be at war... to fight things like terrorism, you guys are just setting yourself up for another attack. These terrorists are bas***** and cowards and will hurt you and your country, because they truly dislike your lifestyle of being a super power. I dont konw how to stop them, but your in quite a perdicament.

-someone mentioned that Canada is only surviving becuase we are simply neighbours to America. well we have our priorities, and pissing off the world, sadly, isnt one.

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Originally posted by ghost323f
As for the Canadian that says you grew ***** and didnt have to follow the americans, when some islamic militant comes knocking on your door because he doesnt like your people having freedom. Or some country like N.Korea threatens you with nuclear weapons, who are you gonna call for help? What will you think of us if we didnt do anything about it? Would your thoughts about the US. government change? Remember that Canada is free and will be free while we are here. The US protects you just by being your neighbor, if you were anywhere else life would be a little different dont you think? Anyways Im not anti-Canada, I think we are all brothers in this world, lets put aside our differences, and give the Iraqi people a taste of what we take forgranted. FREEDOM!
God Bless the USA!!!
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-lets strive for freedom...i agree with you.....you say Canada would be feeling a little different if we were in your shoes, we your right, we would. Except we have a diplomatic brain. DAMN STRAIGHT WE GREW *****!! no reason we should follow US into a US provoked war of terror. We did nothing to deserve militant islamics, or N.Koreans wiht nukes to attack us with.

in short, Canada lives a simpler life. all we want is our rrrroll up the rim coffee, and our NHL teams to make the playoffs. sorry if i offended anyone, but I felt I had to inform you of what many Canadians believe in. I hope Canada and America will be friends....hell we're all people why cant we be friends.

P.S.- Saddam sucks and should be killed. I suck and should shut up...War sucks and should be abolished. NOW!!