AMD vs. Intel
June-27th-2002, 04:33 PM
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SERIOUS ATHLON WARNING
I built my home system around an Athlon Thunderbird, and it's been a great system. My office is also 80% AMD. That said, there is one thing all of you need to be warned of regarding AMD: Don't ever, ever run them without a fan and heat sink (making use of thermal grease). I'm talking about not even for a few seconds. It's a serious issue, folks... Check out this link, and watch this video.
The AMD Athlon Palomino 1200, for instance, will destroy itself with a core temperature reaching 300 degrees Celsius (~570 degrees F). That's bad, really bad. And a temperature like that will likely kill your motherboard, as well...
Just remember that Athlons require sufficient cooling as a critical element of your system. Any failure to ensure this requirement will result in the instantaneous, catastrophic destruction of your entire computer system, and a processor running a temperature that actually liquifies many metals.
The AMD Athlon Palomino 1200, for instance, will destroy itself with a core temperature reaching 300 degrees Celsius (~570 degrees F). That's bad, really bad. And a temperature like that will likely kill your motherboard, as well...
Just remember that Athlons require sufficient cooling as a critical element of your system. Any failure to ensure this requirement will result in the instantaneous, catastrophic destruction of your entire computer system, and a processor running a temperature that actually liquifies many metals.
June-27th-2002, 04:59 PM
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Just remember that Athlons require sufficient cooling as a critical element of your system. Any failure to ensure this requirement will result in the instantaneous, catastrophic destruction of your entire computer system, and a processor running a temperature that actually liquifies many metals.
June-27th-2002, 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by doctor_r
As for pricing ya for sure AND chips are cheaper. But when you weigh in a MOBO the AMD chipsets are generally 30-40% higher. The crap Duron that AMD came out was useless, they tried to pit againt the celeron which was somewhat of a victory for people who knew nothing about computing.
Oh and KC5, your kidding right, the Xeon processor is the wickedest thing going right now... are you sure they're Xeon's not coppermine???
As for pricing ya for sure AND chips are cheaper. But when you weigh in a MOBO the AMD chipsets are generally 30-40% higher. The crap Duron that AMD came out was useless, they tried to pit againt the celeron which was somewhat of a victory for people who knew nothing about computing.
Oh and KC5, your kidding right, the Xeon processor is the wickedest thing going right now... are you sure they're Xeon's not coppermine???
I recently was privileged enough (I thought) to recieve (2) 2.2GHz Xeon processors and a Supermicro motherboard to run them on. I ran our hardware benchmarks against them and the Intel failed miserably against an Athlon MP system using only 1800+ processors. The code we run against them is entirely unoptimised. Just proving that Intel has filled people with so much bullshit over the years that they will believe anything.
Just so you know, the wickedest thing going right now is the Opteron, which I am drooling over.
June-27th-2002, 06:18 PM
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The Athlon actually has some protection circuitry now, as a result of that video. But the motherboard manufacturer has to implement it. ASUS does it on pretty much all of their AMD motherboards. The reason they showed this is that the P4 is able to protect itself against overheating by slowing itself down until it finally just refuses to do anything. NEVER run a processor without a heatsink and cooling fan.
Also, the majority of motherboards do not feature the protection that JStand mentioned against being booted with an improperly working fan. I have actually only seen it on one motherboard and that was the ABIT BF6. But they all feature one form of hardware monitoring or another now.
Also, the majority of motherboards do not feature the protection that JStand mentioned against being booted with an improperly working fan. I have actually only seen it on one motherboard and that was the ABIT BF6. But they all feature one form of hardware monitoring or another now.
June-27th-2002, 06:40 PM
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Most new motherboards I have seen in the past year have CPU fan monitoring capability, but there are a lot of fans that do not have built-in sensors. The motherboards with CPU fan monitoring will have a three-pin plug for the CPU fan (Gnd, +12V, Sensor), but a lot of fans out there still only have a two-pin plug (Gnd, +12V). Of course, if the motherboard doesn't detect a sensor, it just bypasses...
But, then again, I'm mainly a Mac guy who enjoys low power consumption and low heat production... Unlike my PIII system I also use...
But, then again, I'm mainly a Mac guy who enjoys low power consumption and low heat production... Unlike my PIII system I also use...
June-27th-2002, 08:07 PM
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That is how it works if you have the optional setting to make your computer not boot. The computer's BIOS does not normally check each hardware statistic (temp, fan speeds, etc) unless the user configures it to. Hardware monitoring is actually not a BIOS function. The BIOS normally contains code that allows it to access hardware monitoring data collected by chips on the motherboard. The hardware monitoring itself can either:
A) Live on the south bridge of the chipset.
B) Live on a dedicated chip connected to the south bridge.
Generally, unless your BIOS has the option for it, your computer does not care whether there is a fan present or not on boot up. Mainly the reason for this is that due to hardware limitations and cost only a couple of fan headers are actually monitored (even though there may be 6 or 7 actual headers on the motherboard).
It actually gets more complicated than that but this is a pretty simple explanation.
A) Live on the south bridge of the chipset.
B) Live on a dedicated chip connected to the south bridge.
Generally, unless your BIOS has the option for it, your computer does not care whether there is a fan present or not on boot up. Mainly the reason for this is that due to hardware limitations and cost only a couple of fan headers are actually monitored (even though there may be 6 or 7 actual headers on the motherboard).
It actually gets more complicated than that but this is a pretty simple explanation.
June-27th-2002, 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by doctor_r
As for pricing ya for sure AND chips are cheaper. But when you weigh in a MOBO the AMD chipsets are generally 30-40% higher.
As for pricing ya for sure AND chips are cheaper. But when you weigh in a MOBO the AMD chipsets are generally 30-40% higher.
June-27th-2002, 11:01 PM
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Right now I have fans running... can never be too cool. Intake fan, processor fan, blue orb on the geforce (with ram sinks), two exhaust fans, and a side 80mm fan to add a bit. Im running a Athlon 500 Classic in a K7M motherboard built by Voodoo computers here in Calgary. Benched as fast as a 950 @ the time. These guys bild serious computers! http://www.voodoopc.com/systems/
Don
we also use them on our home automation jobs.
Don
we also use them on our home automation jobs.
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