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Old January-8th-2003, 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by midnightblue97
Cadillac will be building this V-16.
20mpg, by use of variable displacement IE cutting off some cylinders when full power isn't needed. I don't know how much more its been developed since the early 1980's but most people will tell you that it was one **** of a disaster.
I believe that at highway cruising speeds only 4 of 16 cylinders will be functioning.
I've read a few things about it and it seems that both valves will be closed on those 12 cylinders. I don't see how the 4 working cylinders would be able to overcome the friction of 12 not working cylinders as well as overcome the compression of them all as well.
This time the technology comes from Mercedes. I believe they use this system on the really high end V12s, like the S600. I'd say it's probably better than the Cadillac 80s version, considering the Benz's have had them for a few years. However, I don't know anybody who owns an S600, so no accounts of how it is .

And I can imagine the headlines after that motorcycle:
"10,000 16 year olds killed on motorcycle"
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Old January-8th-2003, 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by midnightblue97
Cadillac will be building this V-16.
20mpg, by use of variable displacement IE cutting off some cylinders when full power isn't needed. I don't know how much more its been developed since the early 1980's but most people will tell you that it was one **** of a disaster.
I believe that at highway cruising speeds only 4 of 16 cylinders will be functioning.
I've read a few things about it and it seems that both valves will be closed on those 12 cylinders. I don't see how the 4 working cylinders would be able to overcome the friction of 12 not working cylinders as well as overcome the compression of them all as well.
Selectively disabling cylinders can be done successfully using modern fuel and ignition management. GM has already used this technology on the Cadillac Northstar engine, including a "limp" mode designed to allow the engine to run without coolant by alternately shutting down each cylinder bank, allowing the "dead" cylinders be cooled by the air being pumped in and out of them. The engine compression of the dead cylinders pushes the pistons back down during the "power" stroke, so there are some friction losses, but the pumping losses cancel each other out if they are timed properly.

The problems with this idea in the early 80's were due to primitive fuel management technology; if you ever look at a car with Bosch L-Jetronic EFI (state of the art circa 1977) and compare it to just about any modern car, it's like comparing an Apple IIe to an Intel Pentium IV. Selective cylinder shutdown is like a lot of other engine technologies such as variable valve timing- engineers have known since the 1930's that it COULD work, it's just that the technology to control it dynamically while the engine is running did not exist. The technology exists now.

Also, just to let you know, this idea is not new. I once met someone who worked for an oilfield services company maintaining the diesel engines that power oil pumps in remote areas. These engines were designed to have cylinders selectively shut down to save fuel and engine wear when the pumps were working at partial load; every few months, he and his coworkers would temporarily shut the engines down and switch cylinders to equalize wear. Some of the engines had been installed in the 1940's and were still running in the 1990's, so the idea does work.
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I think you need to drive this bike during the final test of Kamikaze School of Suicides.
Put that V-10 in the back of my Pro, and I will be hunky-dory!
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The official response from the motorcycle industry...

From AMAsuperbike.com

Satire By Ohlin: Dodge Concept Bike Signals End Of World
chrysler hurls tomahawk at us
by ohlin metzler
Wednesday, January 08, 2003
DETROIT (VPI) The word is gottendamerung, and according to my dictionary it means "the day of the great battle between the gods and the forces of evil, signaling the end of the world."

I heard it in a Twilight Zone episode. Everything I know of value about this life I learned from Twilight Zone episodes.

Strange thing: shortly after I discovered this new term, I actually saw what Rod Serling was referring to. I think.

It came at me at an unexpected venue, too.

It was like this: When I go to a strip club, I expect to see strippers. When I go to a boat show, I expect to see boaters. When I go to a political convention, I expect to see liars.

And when I go to a car show, I expect to see cars. And strippers. And liars.

But what I don't expect to see is the shocking display of gottendamerungism in mechanical form. And that's what I got, when Dodge rolled out a concept vehicle at the Detroit Auto Show that is not a car, but some hideous, twisted, grotesque freak that may just usher in the End of the World.

It's called a Tomahawk. I have no idea why.

What it is I'm not positive about, either, but I think it's a motorcycle with four wheels. It has a V-10 engine and a claimed top speed of 400 MPH. I'm not making this up.

The specs release say this:

500 Horsepower
1,500 lbs
Two motorcycle drive chains
Two-Speed transmission
4 Dunlops
3. 25 gallons of gas

From Dodge's Trevor Creed:

"The Dodge brand philosophy challenges us to grab life by the horns. Tomahawk is a scintillating example of what creative minds can do when they're allowed to run free."

Yeegods. There's a frightening thought. The last time my creative mind was allowed to run free, I got arrested for indecent exposure.

So what the hell is going on here? Why is Dodge basically showing off their creative thingy by building a chrome-plated wheelbarrow from hell? Somebody's been grabbing their horn, all right. But why are they poking this thing at the motorcycle community? Why are they aiming this cartoon mutant, which blends the artistic and intellectual sensibilities of NASCAR with the engineering genius of a self-cleaning litter box (that cats won't go near), at us?

Ohlin has a theory. He will share it with you, now.

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Back a few years ago, Cycle World magazine ran one of those "car versus motorcycle" articles, which pitted (if memory serves) a Dodge Viper against a Yamaha YZF1000. The Yama was piloted by a Mr. Brian Cattersen, who by the way is one of the good guys in motojournalism. They are getting fewer and fewer; scribes like him.

Anyway, during this dustup the Viper demonstrated that a) its brakes sucked, and b) the rest of the car sucked because it blew an engine. Typical.

Cars. Sheesh.

"Two Wheels Good, Four Wheels Bad" as we say here on the Farm.

This clearly was not too good a showing for the car. Not surprisingly, this started to get Dodge's undies in a bunch. But they didn't go ballistic. Yet.

That is, until Harley-Davidson started muscling in on their turf, you see. Harley had the audacity to cross the line, or at least go and visit the other side when they got together with Ford a few years ago to produce an object called a "truck." The latest version is called the Ford Harley-Davidson F150 Supercrew, and it has all kinds of bikey stuff on it. Ohlin had driven it. It has a supercharged engine. It sounds like Mel Gibson's car in the first Mad Max movie, and is as fast as most Harleys, too. Well, almost.

This really opened Dodge's eyes, which had been partially closed thanks to the heavy window tinting in their latest Grand Caravan. And their eyes told them, "Holy crap! Motorcycle companies are muscling in!"

Oh, and as an aside, Dodge hates Ford, too, because they embraced the two-wheeled world before they did and sells 3 times as many full-size pickups as they do. This is a very competitive arena, similar to the one manufacturers in World Superbike used to compete in before everybody left.

In time, Dodge noticed that Honda is building cars. And so is BMW. And Suzuki. And Corbin, who started with motorcycle seats and has now had their weird little car in the latest Austin Powers movie right next to Minis and Minimes.

Imagine that.

It should shock no one to learn that Dodge does not like all these interlopers. And so they released their creative thingy and now we have the Tomahawk, which some have called a "Chopper." They clearly are aiming it at Atlanta Braves fans, and people who think a big motor with a seat is as hot an item as a naked Cameron Diaz. With a seat.

Oh, and they're serving notice to us, the motorcyclists. "Look out," they're saying. "Here we come."

And are we threatened? Do we even care? I can't speak for you of course.

But as for me, I honestly don't give a gottendamerung.
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