The 1.6L engine of the Protege
 

I was just wondering
I have the 1.6L version of the protege(which sucks in hp)

but anyway, I was wondering if there is any other car in the US that has the same engine capacity or smaller engine.

I am not planning to add crazy engine mods not to void the warranty on the car.

Any insights will be helpful

(all you guys with the 1.8L and 2.0L, I am sooooo jealous!;) )

Back in 1985 my father bought a brand new Suzuki SA 310 three banger... Suzuki cars were just introduced to our market. Don't recall the exact displacement but it was less than 1 liter. I think something around 980 CC...

It had 12 inch tires, manual transmission, 5 speed very long throw. The engine valves clacked like crazy, almost like an old volkswagen but all the 310's I heard had the same engine noise. Also those engines liked to run hot and it was normal for their temperature gauge to hover between 1/2 and 2/3

But it was fun to drive and he constantly got around 35-40 MPG...

In the states it was called the Pontiac Firefly.

The cooper mini has a MASSIVE 1.6l engine 115 hp and 110ft/lbs torqe. The Civic Crx has one of these too.

Thats about all I know of off the top of my head.

!!Mini Cooper!!, and it requires 91 octane to get those numbers.

hmm, but the cooper would whip my ass bad if we just accelerated from a light.

What really is crazy is that I see toyota corrolas gain on me from a stand still and it kills me. I know it is just the engine, but, it is quite possibly is that the 1.6L of the protege is the smallest engine in the market out there, isn't it so

so, other than the sunfire(which I see some still around, and they need to get off the road asap, they are a health danger because of the sh!t is gives out from the exhast)

We have the mini cooper, which has the same engine we do, but in a much smaller body.

What about kia's and hyandai's, are they a match?

it's a shame that mazda even offered 1.5 and 1.6's , for the main reason that there are no aftermarket for them and if you want to make them go ,, you have to boost up or use nos, and then the power you get , would be the same you get if you just swaped in a damn 1.8L ,... I mean a 30 hp jump from 92 hp to 122hp , in the BP and almost the same in the 3rd gens... honestly I wouldn't buy a 3rd gen or 2nd gen or p5 if it came with a motor smaller than a 1.8 or 2.0 .. never again ,, If you look at VW's , there smallest motor right now is a 2.0 granted a SOHC,, the displacement is still bigger...

thus the reason for my switch to a 1.8BP motor..

exception ,, the miata 1.6L ... this is the only mazda that I give the exceptions to .. that car , the miata, has so many parts for it , it is absurd,...
:rolleyes:

1.6l = http://www.davesarmynavy.com/thumbs/sbimages/butt.jpg

That's why I did like Bruce and got a 1.8l. Hopefully, I can get enough money this summer to drop it in.

SLOWTEGE
 

but with gas prices these days, I'm not complaining with 35 MPG. I'll either get another car in a few years or just do an engine swap for real engine.

Re: SLOWTEGE
 

im with danny on this one, with gas pricing its not bothering me as much but sooner or later ill probably get a jspec when im tired of going so damn slow ... i can run faster than my damn car :rolleyes:

Danny

i think the geo metro is comp for the 1.6. lol and no most hyandais have the 1.8 litre in them, i got whooped by an elantra that was smoking like a bastard.

Re: The 1.6L engine of the Protege
 

Back to the original question.... :p

Currently available in the U.S. market, or ever?

I think that the smallest engine currently on the market is the 1.0L (995cc), 67 hp inline 3-cylinder in the Honda Insight.

The smallest ever? There might have been something smaller available at some point, but the smallest one I can think of is the 360cc (that's 0.36L) 22 hp air-cooled 2-cylinder in the late 60's Subaru 360. :D

Re: Re: The 1.6L engine of the Protege
 

I saw a 360 pickup while driving through Oklahoma a couple of years ago :D

there are actually lots of cars i've beaten with my protege 1.6L...my only mods are intake and exhaust.....Lanos,Metro,Accent,Cavalier(if auto),old Mustang LX 4-banger(lol),Rio,Honda Civic(non vtec),Ford Focus sedan SE's(no Zetec),just about any 4 banger pickup truck...theres a few more just cant think of them right now

Re: Re: Re: The 1.6L engine of the Protege
 

Gotta admit, I think it would be cool to have a 360. The only problem is that I'd be afraid of being run over and crushed by some guy on a Harley. :eek:

Actually, a neat car to have would be a Honda 600 Z-Coupe. :bt:

so yall know , big rims makes your car go slower, unless they are super light, and it also makes your car burn more gas.
So you defeat the purpose of saving gas by installing big rims and tires ,,, so just go ahead and do the engine swap .. I learned then when I took off my 16's
Br

Didn't BMW sell a one cylinder car at some point in North America?? I believe it was called the Isetta.

I did not know that

but on earlier question, yeah, just wondering about what is available today. I mean, I don't mind learning some history, some of those cars I never heard off:p

Yes, they did, and you got the name right. It's actually the car that saved BMW from utter financial ruin after WWII.

http://www.cqql.net/bmw.htm

And it turns out that I was wrong about the Subaru 360 having the smallest engine... the Isetta was available with a 13 hp, 298cc, 1-cylinder engine. :bt:

Steve Urkel comes to mind when I see that car...lol

I talked to derrick at Corksport and asked is the KL-ZE swap possible in a pro, he said yes but it'll take $7700 to do it. I could have this by the end of the year if I try really hard for it. My question to all of you is, is going from the slow 103hp 1.6L to the 200hp V6 worth $7700? He'll need my car for 3-4 month to re-do the engine mounts and to pretty much squeeze everything in there and to get it to work with no problem.

The reason why I'm seriously considering this is I have 2 friends who did a j-spec prelude engine swap into 2 civic hatches. 100hp to 200hp and man are they fast. They lost their A/C but they don't care. Derrick said I'll still have mine, I can't live wthout A/C. So, what do you guys think?

Hell Yeah.

I was going to do it at first, but then I decided that I'd rather get a new car.

But I think its more than worth it. Plus that engine has far more potential than 200hp.

That's what I was thinking. I'm probably thinking too far ahead, but is there a turbo kit for it?

yeh, I'm pretty postive there is.

KL-ZE project in the works!!! :D

My friend had a 2.5l Probe GT. It was a NA beast and getting close to 300hp if not more. A true sleeper because he had no exterior mods done.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

300hp?
OMG!!!!

Im pretty sure the crx 1.6 si had like 98 HP

108 hp, which doesn't sound like a lot until you consider that it's installed in a car that weighs less than 2100 lbs with the spare tire and jack removed. :D I used to own a 91 Si, and in legal SCCA D-Stock trim (2" cat-back, K&N drop-in flat panel filter, no other engine mods) it ran a best 1/4 mile time of 15.81 seconds @ 87.3 mph, which is good enough to spank any stock Protege that doesn't say "Mazdaspeed" on the trunklid. :bt:

not to mention a stock cumstain GT

7700 dollars is a lot of money , especially when u could get a FSZE or a Factory 1.8L or even a 2.0L and stuff that in there and then go turbo for a fraction of the price.. I mean you would save a lot of dough and have a car that is fast, .... I know the FSZE is fast cause I saw it run down in VA at the last MAPP meet I went to ... car had good zip and was easily chirping 2nd and 3rd, with 17's ....
something to think about if you ask me ....
go to www.car-part.com and put in your veh. make and vin(if needed) ....
call up derrick ,, ask him if the 2.0 would fit,, I know the 1.8 will fit and you will like that with a turbo,, that would be tire burning ...

look into it

bruce

The FS-ZE? meh

Of course its faster than the FP and FS-DE, but its not that fast. Eeterp ran low to mid 15's with his. Plus you can't turbo the FS-ZE. If you do turbo it, you will basically have to detune it back to a FS-DE. Yes, a regular 2.0. Plus, the potential for the KL-ZE is much, much better than the FS-ZE. Also, the KL-ZE alone, with no mods, should get you into high 14's or very low 15s. It will be easier to get the KL-ZE to around 250hp than a FS-DE or 'ZE. To get that much power out of the FS engine you will have to spend a little more.

(In general. Just approximations and the main things)
You'll have to pay for a FS engine.- $1200 (give and take...)
Pay to get it dropped- $1500 (give or take)
Pay for a new transimission- $500 + $500 to install
Pay for clutch up grades- $400
Pay to turbo- (Lets say you got a FM kit) $4000 167.5 hp and 191.5 ft/lbs - at 6 psi of boost
Pay for forged internals (it will be needed)- $500
Pay for new ECU- $1000

That will be approximately $9600 just with the things I named and you still haven't broken 200hp. Plus, unless your into custom making a lot of other things and throwing around even more money, you won't even get past 250hp.

$7700 seems like an awesome price to reach 200hp without mods to the engine. 200hp is just the beginning for the KL-ZE, which is basically the 3/4 mark for the 2.0/

all together your total would be $4690 with the forged internals...and new ECU ....
stilll cheaper ,, and with forged internals and that ecu you will easily go past 200hp ... you won't have space for a turbo in the klze.... lol
but whatever floats a persons boat,, if he can pull the swap off and foot the bill , not to mention the necessary upgrades in brakes and suspension ,,, another 2000 or so ... then more power to him .....

Bruce

He can go NA ;) No need for a turbo. I think getting 300hp NA should suffice.

But yeah, you'll will need an entirely new suspension which ever way you go.


I was going to try and get the KL-ZE, but my priorities changed. So, I just bought a 1.8l. I may do a few NA mods or maybe just a stage 1 turbo like at 6 or 7psi. I still think it'll be cheaper to make get 250hp from the KL-ZE, but I'm not looking to get that much form my pro anymore.

you can get 250 from your pro with the 1.8 ,,, you just need to reinforce the engine internals and have a good size turbo , or high compression internals
Bruce

yeh, but that'll be a lot of money to do the internals over.

Well then you better start hanging around a shop and watching them pull motors apart.. or get a mazda FSM and study it ...
that is what I did ,,
I have a mazda FSM and a chilton
so torque specs are ready and on hand daily

sorry , I forgot to mention that I have been watching my pops pull front ends and motors apart since I was a kid, so .. u know

Bruce

Yeah, I should. I would rather know how to do everything myself. I have no problem trying, I'm just worried that I might F' up something. If I have directions and tools, I usually do things myself.
If I don't have a clue, I leave it to the shop. Better safe than sorry.

I always figured that if its broke, I wont mess up much else trying to do it myself. Ive never put a car in the repair shop except for body work. Body work isnt a just a job, thats art!

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