Finally drove a Speed3
 

So I finally got around to test driving a Mazdaspeed3 today. I know the salesman, gave him a call ahead of time and he had it waiting for me. He threw me the keys when I drove up, and off I was. I put about 40 miles on the car, it only had 10 to start with :) Here's my thoughts.

Front wheel drive, ugh. I just don't know if I can do it. Torque steer is pretty well controlled, but it's still there, and it bugs the crap out of me! Also once during a hard shift into second on a smooth road got a BANG wheel-hop.

Really good punch out of corners. I did most of my driving on a very twisty road here in St Louis. The best feel came when punching it coming out of a corner around 3500rpm in 2nd or 3rd gear. Power comes on smooth and fast! It's enough to set you back in the seat.

Unfortunately it really does run out of gas above 6000rpm. It was hard for me to get used to that powerband, driving RX-7's for years. I'm used to shifting about 200rpm above redline, and there being steady pull all the way up. With this car in stock form, you really need to shift around 6200-6300rpm.

Gears seem too close together, this could be due to me not staying in the powerband, but I'd prefer a bit more time in 2nd and 3rd gears.

Good borderline great handling, responds very well to application of power mid-corner. Turn-in is a bit vague, but mid-corner and exit were firm and predictable - no surprises (fortunately :) ).

Fantastic seats, nuff said there. I could sit in them all day!

Steering was stiffer than I expected. I was starting to get used to it by the end of the drive, but still I'd expect if it's going to be that stiff to get better handling feedback through the wheel. I guess that just doesn't happen with front wheel drive cars though.

Brakes were fantastic, I laid on them hard a couple times and they felt just like I'd want them to. Likewise the clutch and pedal were very nice, shifter was smooth - absolutely no complaints there.

Overall, I really enjoyed the car and it's a steal for the price - but I don't know if it's for me or not. I think I like the Speed6 better, it's AWD implementation makes the things I don't like about FWD disappear. But the Speed3 feels much more nimble and tossable.

Questions for those who own and have modded a Speed3. Would an intake and downpipe let the car pull hard up to redline? Maybe with the addition of an ECU also? And how much do stiffer motor mounts help clean up the torque steer?

If I knew I could get steady pull to redline and less torque steer, I'd but one tomorrow. In addition to those things I'd upgrade the shocks/springs to tighten up the turn-in. Still after those mods it would be cheaper than anything comparable - and with a very nice interior!

I'd appreciate any feedback or questions.

all you'd need is a full exhaust and an XEDE piggyback and you'd have more on your hands than you could handle. ...in the neighborhood of 280whp 309wtq.

I love my MS6 and I debated about buying the MS3 for the extra speed it has once you're moving but I LOVE the AWD of the MS6...I'll never go back to a fwd with a turbo. It's night and day.

I havent had a chance to test drive one yet.... I did see one going down the road yesterday (1st i've seen off the lot)... some old guy driving 35 in a 45.. doh! i'm gave 'em the thumbs up as i passed 'em haha

It may be fast with those mods, but saying more than I can handle is a stretch :)

So tell me Matty, does you Speed6 pull to the redline now or does it still fall off around 6000?

You need to give yourself some more time with the car. My primary weekend/track car is a Porsche 997S, and before that a ZO6. It was time to trade the old 4Runner daily driver, so I bought a Speed3. Even after several test drives, I wasn't sure I was making the right decision. I've had it now about a month, and I can honestly say I am very happy with it. It has all the room and utility I need on a daily basis, and I have grown to really enjoy driving the car. Between the turbo lag, torque steer, and general handling characteristics of a front driver, it continues to be a challenge to drive smoothly near the limit. But really, I think that is part of the fun. When I got in it the other day after a weekend track school with the Porsche, I felt like I was driving a step ladder on wheels. But then I got comfortable again with the body movement, and all the different input it gives you. I might even take it to the track some time.

Yes, it definitely falls off power just over 6K rpms. But, that's not all bad. It sure keeps you away from the rev limiter. And with the boost coming on around 2,200, it has more low-end torque than I expected, so it's really not hard to keep it on power. I think it would take some programming to alter the boost profile. And then you might get into some engine durability issues. You would for sure get into some warranty issues.

Overall, after a month, I now consider it a neat little car; challenging to drive well, but fun. For more serious driving (track), the car needs quite a bit more spring and damper, especially in front. But then you might get into even greater understeer. Having no experience with setting up a front drive car, I think I'll leave it alone for now. If you are locked into the feel of a well-balanced rwd car, it's never going to feel like that, but that doesn't mean it can't be just as fast.

Yea, the first thing I'd do if I had a Speed3 would be a set of adjustable coil-overs. RX-7's really spoil you for bite on turn-in. But I'm like you, never messed with suspension setups on a FWD car, so the same paradigms don't always apply.

That, and essentially losing the last 800rpm of potential power-band are my only real issues with the car. But the decision of either a Speed3, Speed6, or CX-7 is going to be a tough one.

get the CX-7... be different, mod the crap out of it.. show up some ppl. :bigthumb:

ryan, still no quick reply feature??

I haven't gotten my XEDE yet. I'm still waiting on my TMIC I paid for in december....:nono:

Here's what I'll be running very soon...

MS6
mazdaspeed CAI
ATP catless 3" downpipe
ATP GT3076R
XEDE piggyback
custom borla catback
upgraded motor mounts

If I had to guess I'd put down in the 400awhp range with about 380-425awtq.....should be good for low 12's quarters with 120+mph traps.

Figure up about $1600 for the turbo and $1000 for the tuner and you still look stock and can run with the big dogs?? come on...you can't beat that.

Conversely, you try to throw that into a MS3 and you'll never be able to get it to hook up. I just put a GT28RS turbo on my brothers 1.8L corolla and it's damn near undriveable under 45mph...it only made 309whp and 260wtq.

I'm a guy from the RX8 side of things and my 8's lease is coming up, so I've started the hunt again.

I've driven the SI and outed the GTI (reliability) and the WRX (just barely overpriced), so now the MS3 came up to bat. Well, long story short, I've been telling just about everyone who will listen how much I loved that car. I'm absolutely intoxicated by it, I can't stop thinking about driving it again. It's just a hair outside my price range (as is the SI - looking at 20 or less), but I'm doing everything I can to make the numbers work on that monster. It's AMAZING.

Anyway, I figure I'll throw this in here. I haven't searched, but I'm sure it has been asked - what kind of prices are people paying for the Speed 3s now? Is it getting more realistic to be looking for $500-1000 under MSRP?

anyone that pays msrp for a mazdaspeed vehicle is a sucker. IIRC I bought my MSP for $1000under MSRP (like $100 over invoice) when they first came out and I had the first MSP in Birmingham, AL.

The MSM's were stickered for $26k and were selling for $17k last I saw....my dealer couldn't give them away.

My MS6 msrp was $30k and I got out for $23,595....$9k for the lease period and $14k for the residual.

I wouldn't pay a penny over invoice for a speed product. Just tell the dealership how they like to rot on the lot and bring up the stats I just mentioned. Hell it's not THAT hard to do because my dealer still has like 6 MS6's on the lot from 06.

Im almost bought a speed3, but it was slightly out of my budet, great car, i think about it every day , nuff said.

Yeah, that's how I've been ever since I drove the thing. Everyone I talk to probably hates me by now because it's all I've been talking about. I can't even remember how many times I've looked up photos of the car.

Anyway, it seems I've found a way to comfortably afford it, so now it's just a matter of going to war with the stealership - I think I'll be happy to settle with about a grand under MSRP at this point. I'll keep your stats in mind, Roddimus, thanks for the info. I'll be around and I'll let you all know if there's any news.

[QUOTE=...I wouldn't pay a penny over invoice for a speed product. Just tell the dealership how they like to rot on the lot and bring up the stats I just mentioned. Hell it's not THAT hard to do because my dealer still has like 6 MS6's on the lot from 06.[/QUOTE]

Consider yourself lucky. At our local dealership the Speed models sell a few days after they arrive. They'll deal off of MSRP on almost any car except the Speeds.

mark my words though.... they may be getting a premium for them when theyare first on the scene but they will be going with 3500 rabtes like the MS6's, MSM's, MSP's all did... history has a way of repeating itsself.

You could be right...I can't wait! I've wanted an MS3 since I first read about them and my local Ford dealership has wronged me for the last time. I'm trading in my SVT Focus and my '06 F250 for a 2007 MS3 this Saturday. I'll pay the premium to be rid of Ford!

Yeesh, I'd absolutely love to take a True Red MS3 off of some dealership's hands, but none of them seem interested in making a sale. Everyone is holding at MSRP firm - I won't tell them this, but ideally I'd like to buy within the next couple days if anyone will come off their "full boat" horse. If not, it'll be a little bit harder for me, but I can wait until mid June. Here's to hoping some dealership realizes they've got a sure sale if they drop a grand or so off the MSRP.

I could have gotten a new speed3, basically with no options, with 19 miles for $21,600. The dealer wouldnt tell me how long its been there

you wanna know why?? because that gives you another angle to haggle with them over.

Mazdas are great cars for what they are....but they are NOT popular unless it's a miata or RX7.

dont sound too bad of a price? sticker here is $25,000 (red one)

I bought a Speed3 couple weeks ago & I am absolutely in love with the car. The powerband is pretty narrow, but between 2500 to 5500 rpm, this car rocks. For a stock front wheel drive car, the handling is pretty neutral. I enjoy driving it almost as much as I do my RX8. The Speed3 suspension feels too soft at limit, but comfortable as a daily driver.

Basically my opinion too. My first front-driver in 20 years, so it's different, but light years ahead of the old ones. Yes, the turbo programming is conservative, but the gearing is sufficient to keep it on power. The front suspension is definitely soft, and under-damped. That's obvious from slowly crossing a parking lot speed bump. But the balance is relatively neutral, and I'm not sure what the total result would be from getting it much stiffer in front; maybe not all good. My gut feeling is, the same spring rates (or a bit higher), stiffer front strut damping, about an inch lower and with bigger bars, and the car would feel more secure in near-limit cornering, with very little compromise in ride quality. But it's a daily driver for me, and I expect I will leave it alone. It really offers a lot of convenience and peformance, without attracting attention. Good car.

Well, one dealership is finally getting close here. Here's to hoping they don't screw it up with some crazy dealer fees or something. I wants me an MS3, but not enough to pay anywhere near MSRP - with or without dealer fees.

Oh and I, too, was surprised that I enjoyed driving an FWD car as much as I did with the MS3. I had sworn off front wheel drive cars after getting my 8, but the MS3 really surprised me and handled with very little understeer. I actually think this is the one car on the market that wouldn't make me think longingly about my old RX8 every time I got in it.

SOLD!

True Red totally base, sport MS3. :bluesuit:

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congrats, now I expect to see pics and I also expect to see you sign up for our camping trip in June. You'd have the only MS3 so you need to show.

Camping? Trip? June? Where? When? Linky?

Pics should be coming Tuesdayish - need to get back to my great photo op spot in Orlando.

awsome!! how much you got it for?
They gave me some stupid price of $530 a month with $3,000 down for 72 months and i walked out. they wouldnt drop NOTHING off the price. maybe in a couple months i can get lower monthly payments?

dont ever buy a car based on the monthly payment... ALWAYS negotiate the price of your trade.... THEN negotiate the price of the car you're buying... THEN negotiate your interest rate (or provide your own financing).

If after all of that you can't afford the payment on the car then you don't buy the car.

don't ever buy a Mazdaspeed vehicle and pay sticker for it. I wouldn't pay a penny over invoice and I consider invoice a FAIR price. I'm not asking for anything more than FAIR.

A $25,000 car @ invoice gives the selling dealership about $1,000 in holdback cash. $100 to the salesman for filling out the paperwork and $900 to the dealership so they can get richer.

i didnt know u can negotiate the interest too ha. mines was like 12% OUCH!
Do they have lease programs for this cars? what kind of insurance u guys paying?
i was putting down cash. Now Wayne Mazda from NJ keeps telling me to go down because he says he canget me a better price.

Heh, can't make the camp out. I'm still on my probationary period for my new job, so days off are a no-no. I might try and make another event or some meets one of these days, though.

holy cow i started looking for some insurance quoetes for it. went to esurance.com and they wanted 3,200 for 6 months. im 21 had my license since 18 with only one ticket (just happened to be speeding and got 2 points for them)

wow this thread help alot in my decision of finding my next car. I was having a tug-a-war between getting another rsx-s or a try something new like a MS3 or MS6. I currently own a 88 RX-7 TII which i am working on. Boostd7 prolly recognize this user name in rx7club. Also recently i go into a bad accident and total my rsx-s thus im in the market looking and researching for a new car.

So what are you leaning toward brody?

im leaning toward the ms3 because of the price and practicality of it.

Awesome, keep it in the Mazda family! Remember every extra dollar Mazda makes could potentially be another dollar for rotary engine development, and development of the next RX-7!

I do have a bit of a problem with the space in the back seat of a MS3, I'd like another couple inches back there. I guess since you've owned the RSX-S before, front wheel drive and torque steer won't bother you as much as it does me ... but still go drive one. They're a fantastic offering and I give huge kudos for Mazda having the balls to release it. Personally I'm leaning toward the MS6 because I like the feel of AWD, and it does have a bit more back seat room ... and I have other cars for ultimate performance :cool:

Holdback on a 'Speed 3 is only about $450. And you would never get one for invoice near where I live. I had to drive to Austin just to get one today. Price for my GT was $24125+TTL. Of the two Austin dealerships I went to, one wouldn't budge off of MSRP on the MS3, but they were willing to do a 3 GT for invoice+200.

I went with the MS3 anyway :D

If you fellas don't mind, can you please post the price tag you bought your MS3 or MS6? I too am in the hood for either cars, but if the dealers selling the speed cars have a tendency for 'unfair' pricing, then I think I might just get a used '06 STi. Thanks in advanced. I too am a Mazda fan and previously owned some 1st gen RX-7s, but now currently have an RX-4 and Miata projects, so I also like to keep it within the Mazda family.

i prefer the mazdaspeed6, still the 3 is a nice car

i was wondering if the ms3 has a different feel of stick shift... cause i heard that its pretty different. i mean i know that every car is different but im new to stick and i am planning on getting a ms3.


(does anyone know if mazda is going to release more colors in the 08 models?)

I paid $22,850 (sticker price) for my bare bone ms3 in PA a month ago. I love it, but have to admit the shifter is a bit notchy compared to the 06 civic Si I owned before it. I'm not sure how it compares to the ms6 though.