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March-17th-2003, 03:26 PM
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Just to let you know.
There have been at least three people that have bought production SRT4's from the dealer and dynod over 220 WHP bone stock.
Evan
There have been at least three people that have bought production SRT4's from the dealer and dynod over 220 WHP bone stock.
Evan
March-18th-2003, 12:42 AM
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The pre-production rumor is JUST a rumor.
With the reliability issue: I've read enough MSPs with problems already. Maybe. Mazda will take care of it in the 2003.5 models.
Also, Mazda has a 4yr warranty. Dodge has a 7yr warranty. They must have add more faith in their car than Mazda.
With the reliability issue: I've read enough MSPs with problems already.
Maybe. Mazda will take care of it in the 2003.5 models.Also, Mazda has a 4yr warranty. Dodge has a 7yr warranty. They must have add more faith in their car than Mazda.
Last edited by redrims; March-18th-2003 at 08:17 AM.
March-18th-2003, 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by BadDSM
Just to let you know.
There have been at least three people that have bought production SRT4's from the dealer and dynod over 220 WHP bone stock.
Evan
Just to let you know.
There have been at least three people that have bought production SRT4's from the dealer and dynod over 220 WHP bone stock.
Evan
In any case, the engine that is turboed in the Neon, is it the same one that has been used in it the past few years???
March-18th-2003, 08:06 AM
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Originally posted by Makaveli
I thought that it was rated 215 hp at the crank???
I thought that it was rated 215 hp at the crank???
Here are some dyno sheets and test runs. STOCK!
SRT-4 Stock
~2400 miles
Temp 55-60 degrees
Small fan blowing on the intercooler, hood open
Sunoco 94 @ 1.99 gallon
Run 1
227 hp
250 lb/ft
Run 2
227 hp
248 lb/ft
Dyno day
and
With custom exhaust ONLY: 228hp 269tq
Originally posted by Makaveli
In any case, the engine that is turboed in the Neon, is it the same one that has been used in it the past few years???
In any case, the engine that is turboed in the Neon, is it the same one that has been used in it the past few years???
Last edited by redrims; March-18th-2003 at 08:10 AM.
March-18th-2003, 08:58 AM
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Tough call on the SRT-4 HP numbers, guys. If you check the Dodge/Chrysler website, they have info on the SRT line-up. According to Dodge, the SRT-4 has 205HP at 5400rpm and 220lb-ft. of torque at 2000-4800rpm. So, why the low numbers now? And are also quoting 0-60 times of 5.9 seconds. Just my 2 cents. Fast car, but it's still a Neon. Just like the new Tiburon...nice looking...nice options...fast at times...but it's still a Hyundai. Ciao...
March-18th-2003, 11:17 AM
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Like I said before, it's underrated.
So, my car is just a Protege. Just like a Corvette is just a corvette, or a Viper is just a Viper by Chrysler.
I don't see your point.
Originally posted by kore
Fast car, but it's still a Neon. Just like the new Tiburon...nice looking...nice options...fast at times...but it's still a Hyundai. Ciao...
Fast car, but it's still a Neon. Just like the new Tiburon...nice looking...nice options...fast at times...but it's still a Hyundai. Ciao...
So, my car is just a Protege. Just like a Corvette is just a corvette, or a Viper is just a Viper by Chrysler.
I don't see your point.
March-18th-2003, 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by redrims
Like I said before, it's underrated.
So, my car is just a Protege. Just like a Corvette is just a corvette, or a Viper is just a Viper by Chrysler.
I don't see your point.
Like I said before, it's underrated.
So, my car is just a Protege. Just like a Corvette is just a corvette, or a Viper is just a Viper by Chrysler.
I don't see your point.
March-18th-2003, 01:00 PM
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Quoting myself
Originally posted by redrims
Also, Mazda has a 4yr warranty. Dodge has a 7yr warranty. They must have add more faith in their car than Mazda.
Also, Mazda has a 4yr warranty. Dodge has a 7yr warranty. They must have add more faith in their car than Mazda.
March-18th-2003, 01:37 PM
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Dodge's basic warranty is 3 years or 36,000 miles.
The 7/70,000 warranty covers powertrain only, and you must pay a deductible on powertrain work. Some frickin deal.
The 7/70,000 warranty covers powertrain only, and you must pay a deductible on powertrain work. Some frickin deal.
March-18th-2003, 07:48 PM
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Can some one please CLOSE this thread?
March-18th-2003, 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by redrims
Also, Mazda has a 4yr warranty. Dodge has a 7yr warranty. They must have add more faith in their car than Mazda.
Also, Mazda has a 4yr warranty. Dodge has a 7yr warranty. They must have add more faith in their car than Mazda.
at any rate, someone will always have more horsepower. if you buy the SRT today, you'll be kicking yourself if a 230whp Suzuki Aerio comes out next year. That is, if you solely base your car purchases on horsepower alone.
I fail to see RHAGEL's claim that the MSP is "two steps behind".
March-18th-2003, 10:38 PM
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The SRT-4 doesn't even come to Canada so for those of us North of the border, it's an easy choice 
March-18th-2003, 11:54 PM
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All those early Neons were ringers. Chrysler is infamous for providing early production cars (and those for the press fleet) that are tweaked. I talked with a friend who works for an independent test firm (the company putting on the Mazda6 thing), and he said that the SRT-4s in the early test fleet were not representative of what the public would be buying (as evidenced by the SCC dyno numbers exceeding the factory specs...at the wheels).
And those dyno charts pretty much blows your theory outta the water.
His point is that Dodge as well as Hyundai will always be known for making low quality cars.
BTW Hyundai was second after Toyota, with only 11 problems per 100 vehicles. Crap eh?
Tough call on the SRT-4 HP numbers, guys. If you check the Dodge/Chrysler website, they have info on the SRT line-up. According to Dodge, the SRT-4 has 205HP at 5400rpm and 220lb-ft. of torque at 2000-4800rpm. So, why the low numbers now? And are also quoting 0-60 times of 5.9 seconds. Just my 2 cents.
And again, the Neon's numbers are very under-rated.
In any case, the engine that is turboed in the Neon, is it the same one that has been used in it the past few years???
Chrysler has pretty much redesign it for more boost and durability for the Neon however.
Neon tuners have said that the current engine is good for at least 350hp on the stock internals, it's built for boost.
And lastly:
The SRT-4 doesn't even come to Canada so for those of us North of the border, it's an easy choice
March-19th-2003, 01:18 AM
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Well thank ya Mr. DDakRT for clearing up the mistakes.
Well in my eyes, the SRT-4 is a better deal. And of course to others, its not. But these types of arguments are expected to happen. If they didn't, everyone will be pretty much driving the same car. Cars appeal to ppl for different reasons. The SRT-4 just appealed to me a lot more than the MSP.
Well in my eyes, the SRT-4 is a better deal. And of course to others, its not. But these types of arguments are expected to happen. If they didn't, everyone will be pretty much driving the same car. Cars appeal to ppl for different reasons. The SRT-4 just appealed to me a lot more than the MSP.
March-19th-2003, 02:51 AM
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if straight line performance mattered so much for you horsepower gung-ho freaks, then you all should get a cheap RWD car with a V8... choices? let's see... mustang, camaro, firebird, trans am.... hmmm
yeah.. so the SRT is better in what way? POWER
I fail to see how the MSP is "inferior" in everyway to the SRT
time has shown that people who buy proteges don't care about straight line power.... they care about the handling
I'm actually glad you want to get an SRT if you wanted to just drag race with it, because if you bought an MSP, it would have been wasted
Like I said before... the typical American's definition of "fast"-- straight line acceleration times.... the typical American's definition of "racing"-- straight line acceleration times and running around an oval countless yet mindless times
yeah.. so the SRT is better in what way? POWER
I fail to see how the MSP is "inferior" in everyway to the SRT
time has shown that people who buy proteges don't care about straight line power.... they care about the handling
I'm actually glad you want to get an SRT if you wanted to just drag race with it, because if you bought an MSP, it would have been wasted
Like I said before... the typical American's definition of "fast"-- straight line acceleration times.... the typical American's definition of "racing"-- straight line acceleration times and running around an oval countless yet mindless times
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