Tri-point Turbo kit for the Pro is ready ???
May-3rd-2002, 09:29 AM
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Tri-point Turbo kit for the Pro is ready ???
May-3rd-2002, 10:11 AM
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Re: Tri-point Turbo kit for the Pro is ready ???
Originally posted by Raptor
http://www.tripointengineering.com/C.../turbo_kit.htm
The numbers are weird but ...
Raptor
http://www.tripointengineering.com/C.../turbo_kit.htm
The numbers are weird but ...
Raptor
just out of curiosity, do you know anybody that does turbo installs around the ottawa/hull region????
May-4th-2002, 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by eeterp
anyone know what unit of measure they're using for the torque figures? we could only dream that it's pound feet
anyone know what unit of measure they're using for the torque figures? we could only dream that it's pound feet
Very nice looking system.
May-4th-2002, 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
well, this goes to support my thought that the STOCK fuel system has no chance in hell of supporting even a mild turbo system...
well, this goes to support my thought that the STOCK fuel system has no chance in hell of supporting even a mild turbo system...
I spoke with Mark about this kit early in the week (I've been keeping in touch every couple weeks) and he said that the torque figures are in lb/ft. I can't believe that those numbers are correct. It's impossible for a stock MP3 to put down 208 ft lbs to the wheels. That's what he claimed over the phone. The engine is only rated at 142 at the crank. They also claim 400+ after the turbo install. The horsepower numbers look good though and are about what other places making turbo kits have estimated.
It does eliminate the primary cat so is not emissions legal. Keep in mind that it's a $2500-$10,000 fine to WHOEVER REMOVES IT, as well as up to a $2500 fine to WHOEVER OWNS AND THEN SELLS IT. If you have a car that was modified while you owned it, YOU will be subject to the fine. If the person you sell it to gets inspected, they will come after you.
I'm still waiting on the BEGI turbo kit to see what kind of numbers they get. It will retain the stock converter in the factory location and while it won't be EPA certified, it should pass any inspection including California. They aren't going to go through the lengthy certification process but they are going to build it so that it could be certified.
May-6th-2002, 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
You said in your dyno post that you were told the STOCK fuel curve was rich enough AS IS to use a low pressure turbo, which is untrue.
You said in your dyno post that you were told the STOCK fuel curve was rich enough AS IS to use a low pressure turbo, which is untrue.
This does not give anywhere near enough evidence to prove that Traveler was incorrect or miss-informed. These guys are selling a product right? How much profit would they gain on adding some extra stuff like fuel injectors and other misc parts to their complete kit. If the profit is substantial than they sure is hell would not say "We included some extra things that you really don't need." The less things it takes to turbo your car the easier it is to do a custom setup. I would trust the guys Traveler dyno'd his car with rather then some people that want me to buy there turbo setup
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May-6th-2002, 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Installshield
that amazes you more than 208 lb/ft (they claim) at the wheels?????
I agree with you on the MP3's HP though. Those numbers seem closer to a stock ES 2.0
that amazes you more than 208 lb/ft (they claim) at the wheels?????
I agree with you on the MP3's HP though. Those numbers seem closer to a stock ES 2.0
May-6th-2002, 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by Traveler
I spoke with Mark about this kit early in the week (I've been keeping in touch every couple weeks) and he said that the torque figures are in lb/ft.
I spoke with Mark about this kit early in the week (I've been keeping in touch every couple weeks) and he said that the torque figures are in lb/ft.
May-6th-2002, 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
first of all, its a Clayton Dyno...they wont put the same numbers as a normal Dynojet out. Next, Tri-Point has an AMAZING Mazda reputation. These are the guys building Protege Touring cars, as well as doing hardcore engine work for a lot of BP guys. I personally know some kids that work at a shop with a dyno, and personally, i wouldnt listen to a damn thing they say. Im not saying the guys that Traveler dealt with are idiots, but i just find it RIDICULOUS that a stock fuel system on stock pressure would supply enough fuel for a 6-8 psi turbo system. Even with MASSIVE pressure, the BPT guys have to goto bigger injectors for ~10 lbs. And for 5 psi, they are more than DOUBLING PRESSURE.
Believe who you want, but at least research before you do.
first of all, its a Clayton Dyno...they wont put the same numbers as a normal Dynojet out. Next, Tri-Point has an AMAZING Mazda reputation. These are the guys building Protege Touring cars, as well as doing hardcore engine work for a lot of BP guys. I personally know some kids that work at a shop with a dyno, and personally, i wouldnt listen to a damn thing they say. Im not saying the guys that Traveler dealt with are idiots, but i just find it RIDICULOUS that a stock fuel system on stock pressure would supply enough fuel for a 6-8 psi turbo system. Even with MASSIVE pressure, the BPT guys have to goto bigger injectors for ~10 lbs. And for 5 psi, they are more than DOUBLING PRESSURE.
Believe who you want, but at least research before you do.
I kind of had a hunch they used something other than a Dynojet, but I forgot the name of the other dyno.
And I know Tri-point is good, they've been doing Mazdas for a long time.
May-6th-2002, 01:27 AM
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How does a Clayton Dyno measure torque then? Does it still measure in lb/ft. I don't understand how it can simply "put out different numbers".
I was unaware of Tri-points reputation with Mazda. I was just trying to prevent any sudden conclusions. What kind of fuel system will the Mazdaspeed protege use? The specs and system used by Mazda for their factory built turbocharged car would be in my opinion the best resource for the capabilities of the FS. This will be a light pressure system I assume.
I was unaware of Tri-points reputation with Mazda. I was just trying to prevent any sudden conclusions. What kind of fuel system will the Mazdaspeed protege use? The specs and system used by Mazda for their factory built turbocharged car would be in my opinion the best resource for the capabilities of the FS. This will be a light pressure system I assume.